turning breech?

Discussion in 'Parenting' started by saltydog., Feb 4, 2007.

  1. saltydog.

    saltydog. Member

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    hey everybody, right now my little guy is breech and because of some high blood pressure issues i am having they are talking about not letting me go past 38 weeks. i have an ultrasound next friday and i am afraid that if he hasn't turned by then that they will schedule me for a c section. i am really freaked out by this! i was hoping to have a natural childbirth. does anyone have any good ideas how to get him to turn? i've tried music, baths, elevating hips. nothing seems to be working! i am also opposed to them giving me a version, so that is out of the question.

    any input/advice is greatly appreciated!
     
  2. wiggy

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    You could get your doctor to try external cephalic version, it can be done at 37 weeks OR some docs say that women who have a breech babt if they can spend in the knee-chest position to help turn the baby turn, if all else fails just luck I surpose, i hope things work out of for you x
     
  3. Poem~Girl

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    The dr can just play with your stomach till the baby is in the right position.. Thats what they did with my husbands ex commonlaw.. It may take awhile but it can happen . Put your foot down if you don't want a Csec
     
  4. HippyFreek

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    accupuncture, massage therapy, get on your hands and knees position while having your legs on the couch.

    If you don't want a c-section, do whatever you can to avoid it. Even get second opinions.

    Also, for blood pressure, look into the Brewer Diet. :)
     
  5. TerrapinRose

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    My midwife told me to rub my tummy and talk to the baby and visualize him rolling back over. It did work for me. good luck. be strong and stand up for yourself and your birth experience, in this country they are pushing the C-section way too often. Educate yourself as much as you can, so they can't scare talk you. good luck.
     
  6. smiling_mama

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    Also, remember that many times, the baby flips during labor. And 38 weeks is WAAY too young.
     
  7. saltydog.

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    thanks everyone for the ideas. the reason they are wanting him out by 38 weeks is because of my high blood pressure (its getting worse, not better) i am on complete bedrest now so hopefully that will help. also, they said the blood pressure in his cord is higher than they would like, and that he is having some growth restriction and would probably do better outside than inside at a certain point. normally, i have been seeing midwives who are wonderful but since i have been having pre-e symptoms they sent me to a dr for additional care. she is pretty conservative and doesn't like to mess around it seems. i think on monday i will talk to my midwives and see if there are more options, or maybe they can help me get a second opinion.

    also, how is 38 weeks way too young. i realize that it's not 39 or 40 weeks. but don't women have babies at 38 weeks all the time? i thought it's considered full term? just curious. :)
     
  8. HippyFreek

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    It's supposedly full term, but most of the babies born at 38 weeks by induction or c-section are found to be pre-mature.

    Please, look into the Brewer Diet. It really is the best way to prevent, or turn around blood pressure and other pregnancy difficulties. :)
     
  9. stephaniesomewhere

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    my daughter was born at 38 weeks and wasn't deemed prem. This was a c section done because of a combination of me being on 7 months bedrest and the bub being breech so late in the pregnancy...I had the choice to insist on a natural birth but since I had been lying on my back for a bloody long time I figured that I had already decided to minimise the risks and this was another time I would choose that option over my own personal desires or preferences. All complications are different and I definitely say don't just accept it and question to the nnth degre exactly what is going on. For me this was the best choice and I had two very supportive women with us, one of whom stuck with the bub and one who stuck with me, really important when you are being pumped full of scary drugs and having super major surgery done. I now realise after a lot of years of regaining strength that the bedrest had made me really really weak and I would have had problems in terms of physical stamina however particularly as I have come to understand how fitness can play such an important part of the birthingprocess.

    good luck with whichever decision you make and know that it is the right one for you. Let your doctor have their say then weigh up everything and make a strong decision as to what you know is best for you and your bub, it is your ultimate choice and with that your ultimate responsibility!
    :)
     
  10. Poem~Girl

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    my mom delivered me at 7 months and i was 5 lbs 12 ozs... Big pree mee.. Imagine if i was full term? i'd be a porker . My sis was 10 12 full term ..
     
  11. Brighid

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    Find a chiropractor who can do the Webster technique for turning breech baby.
    See a doctor of chinese medicine to do some moxa treatments.
    Put ice packs on the baby's head!
    instead of playing soothing music down low in your belly, play some really loud, obnoxious music, like heavy metal, by the baby's head.
    Think about what is upside down in your life, and rid yourself of the stress, or come to peace with the situation.
    If baby decides to stay breech, there may be a reason.

    for you BP, take warm (not hot!) baths with 2 cups of Epsom salts.
    Increase your protein to 100 grams a day
    Take a Calcium/Magnesium supplement, 2000 mg Calcium to 1000 mg magnesium
    increase your vitamin C
    Drink TONS of water!

    Good luck!
     
  12. Maggie Sugar

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    I understand. My youngest child was nearly 36 weeks, called a "borderline preterm baby" weighed 5 lbs. 12 oz, 17 inches long and was totally healthy. I had a "scheduled" C Sec, due to long term problems, including an Android pelivis, BUT, I have seen 10 lbs kids, who were just a week or so before their "due date" and showed ALL the signs of a Preterm baby. Breathing problems, inability to co ordinate suck-swallow-breathe in order to nurse, retraction while attempting to breathe, inability to gain weight, and problems with immune function. The weight of the baby, as well as the "due date" has little to do with actual health. (Of course, we are excluding 3 lb babies ect, which nearly always have problems.)

    A lot of "due dates" are off by a month or more, which is why it is best to let the baby decide when to be born, all other things being healthy. As a Lactation Consultant, I see SO MANY babies with "immaturity syndrome" which is almost always an induction or C Section, which was performed for no good reason ("the baby is going to be really big" is NOT a reason to either induce or perform a C Section.) Immaturity Syndrome nearly always causes breastfeeding problems, and can often cause breathing and other problems. I have rarely seen it in babies who were allowed to pick their own date of birth, or in conditions where a C Section was absolutely needed, a test to check for lung function was done (my two scheduled sections were both done after checking for lung maturity, my doctor does this test for ALL babies he attends at birth before they normally want to come out, but most of his deliveries are done when the baby decides.)

    Please, listen to Brighid, she knows what she is talking about.
     
  13. saltydog.

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    thank you ladies for your input. i really appreciate it. i feel a little cheated by my midwives. i think they are great, but no one mentioned anything about the brewer diet. which, for the most part, i have been eating like that. they did tell me i should eat more protein but were not really specific as to what that meant. they did tell me about the moxa treatments. i just feel like at this point i am running out of time.

    i have been taking warm baths and after it was mentioned playing loud, unsoothing music by his head, i started doing that. i feel like if i didn't have problems with high bp and him having supposed growth restriction i wouldn't even be worrying about any of this stuff. or at least i would have more time to try and get him to turn.

    i am so scared that he is going to have problems from taking him early. but i am also scared that he is going to have problems because of not taking him early. i am just so confused by everything i have been reading/hearing. honestly, at this point i don't know what i should do. i am so frustrated!
     
  14. warpedsoaper

    warpedsoaper eternal optimist

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    Many hugs to you and your baby I know this is scary for you. My baby was breech at 38 weeks, I felt so sad when my midwife sent me to have a second u-sound to confirm what she feared. I was transfered to an OB who was a woman and practiced with her own midwives. She sent me to a chiroprictor to do this thing where he held a hot charcoal stick to my pinky toes, he siad he had good results turning babies this way. But I am short, have a short torso and had gained 50 lbs- all things not in my favor. I did this for 24 hours but no luck. My OB had me admitted to the hospital for a cephalic aversion she is a very talented OB with the heart of a mid wife. But she was unsuccessful. I had low fluid around my baby and I had high blood pressure, but who wouldn't at this point. So I was then given an epidural and a second aversion was preformed with two women pushing with all their might and the baby turned. It was intense even with the drugs but at least then the chance of a vaginal birth was still a possibility. I was on a pitocin drip/oxytocin combination for 72 hours and no baby. I had my water broken, a fetal scalp monitor put on, a cathader to put water back in my uterus to float Phoebe off her cord and still ended uo with an emergency c-section. I had a 5 lbs 14 oz baby who was perfect and healthy with no negative affects of being born at 38 weeks. I didn't tell you that to scare you just that after all that I would do it again in a heart beat for this beautiful baby. I was still able to nurse immedatley after, she was only away from me briefly while I was stitched and my recovery was easy. I hope your experience is nothing like this but it's not bad. I don't feel like my experience was negative at all just nothing like I ever imagined, breech babies are more adventurous.
     
  15. Maggie Sugar

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    You said the baby had growth restriction. Do they have any idea why? How did they determine the baby had IUGR? This can be serious, but often it is misdiagnosed, when the baby is just a little smaller than the charts say, and often this is because of inaccuartely postdicting the "date of conception." If your baby was concieved even a week or so after they THINK, it could look like IUGR. (Also known as IntraUterine Growth Restriction.) But, REAL IUGR can be serious, so you need to have a Sit Down with your Midwives and any MDs who may be present at the birth, or have helped with the IUGR diagnosis, and find out Exactly what is going on.

    Blessings and health to you and your baby.
     
  16. saltydog.

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    well i went in for my ultrasound on friday and between two doctors and two of my midwives it was decided that the best thing was to deliver my baby. he had no growth since the last ultrasound (a week earlier) and my fluid was decreasing. add my high blood pressure and there was pretty much no question about what to do. so at 7:42 pm on friday i gave birth via c-section to the most perfect little boy! he weighed 5lbs 2.9 oz, 19 1/4 inches long. aside from his size, he is completely healthy. his apgar score was 8 out of 9. overall i feel like the right choice was made, because he was healthy but if kept in i think things may have not been the case. aside from all that they had me supplementing him with formula until my milk came in so that he wouldn't lose too much weight. my milk came in a few days ago and i have been pumping to supplement him with that instead of formula, since we are still getting the hang of the breast feeding thing. overall, i think he is latching on pretty good. some feedings are better than others. this morning he had a really good latch, and his jaw movements indicated he was getting milk. i knew breastfeeding wouldn't be easy, but man it really is exhausting. both of us get kind of frustrated at times, but i am totally determined to make it work.

    overall this has been the most amazing, intense experience ever. i can't believe he is my baby. he is so lovely and i can't wait to watch him grow.
     
  17. Maggie Sugar

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    I am so glad he is healthy. Keep up the breastfeeding. IF he needs the supplement (and that's a big IF, I had a 5 lb baby, and she did lose some weight, but no one ever suggested supplements, the docs all knew me though, and were probably terrified to even mention the word to me, plus the baby was healthy as a horse, and healthy babies, even if they lose a little weight, don't needs ANY supplements) If he needs your milk as a supp, give it in a cup, not a bottle, so he doesn't get Nipple Confusion. My guess is, he should be able to nurse fine, with NO supplements. Keep an eye on his diapers, if you see 4 (5 after tomorow) wet and at least 3 poops a day or more, he is getting enough milk.

    Babies learn to nurse BY nursing. Bottles only confuse things. Even preterm small babies, who are healthy, can get all they need directly from the breast.

    Talk to a Private Practice LC if you have any weight gain problems with the baby. Once he reaches about 7 lbs, things will "fall into place" and get a lot easier. Until then, you will be feeding a LOT. Sage (my 36-7 weeker, 5.5 lbs) nursed about 22 to 28 times every 24 hours for her first month or so. Never used a supp, never needed it. She did lose more than 10% of her birth weight, but I had had a spinal, (it causes water gain in you and the baby) and she put it back on by learning to nurse ONLY at the breast. If your baby is healthy, he can do it, too.

    I am so glad he was born healthy. Did they ever figure out why he was IUGR?
     
  18. jgirl

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    Congratulations on your baby boy!!! You are in for the most amazing adventure of your life!!

    BTW, I had my daughter via c-section 10 days early and she was 7 lbs 13 oz and also breech. I was really happy that I didn't have to carry her any longer. It would have been awful to go into labor because they thought she was head down and were surprised when they cut me to find a butt!
     

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