Wake up America! There is NO separation between church and state.

Holy is not whole!

Monotheism defines a hierarchical bureaucracy and our government is one.

Monotheism defines imperialism and our society is one



Monotheism is not passive.

God is the great curse of western civilization.

We are all children of Mother Nature.

 

I agree, separation of church and state is not in the constitution, it's Thomas Jefferson's interpretation of the 1st amendment.






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Obviously Jefferson was an expert at talking from both sides of his mouth. I imagine if the curse of monotheism was addressed by our founding fathers then all native Americans (you and I) would have left the trail of tears long ago. Maybe if we can get our shit together we will end this madness and create a cul-de-sac of peace and love!

 

there is however, such a thing, as political hierarchies, not, and being constraind by constitutional law, whether or not existing constitutions actualy do so, from dictating the religeous beliefs and practices of those over whome they exercise their claims of soverignty.

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There is no mention or use of the term God in the constitution folks. And that was intentional. Most of the founding fathers had lived through religious persecution, and wanted their fledging country to strive for something better. A nation that would preempt wars and power struggles, waged in the name of a single religion, because religions were no longer given the opportunity to pose as the voice of the people. If you can find one post it here.

What I see more and more now adays is the mindset that I lost a child or family member, so you should also espouse and sacrifice your loved ones for the same cause, because if you don't my child will have died in vain. What I say to you is that your loved died for a cause that I hope they believed in, but if our young people are currently fighting for our "freedoms", as Bush harps on... then freedom from religious domination is one of the most important freedoms I hold dear.

And I am not talking about radical Islam, I am currently fearing and resenting right wing christians more than I ever feared Muslims.

 

I do believe that many of the early settlers were trying to escape religious persecution but if you walk like a duck and quack like a duck then you are still a damn duck. The fundamental concept of monotheism is the idea of a greater truth in the abstract…reality be damned. God is not about the belief of a superior know it all…it is about demanding allegiance to the idea of a world dominated by the concepts of division, ownership and authority. Call it mine or yours or hers or theirs but in the very process of calling it the evil deed is done.

"You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves." - Cheif Seattle,


The early settlers left a Trail of Tears as they raped and pillaged our wondrous earth in their attempt to escape religious persecution… but they didn’t realize that the shackles of imperialism were in their heads rather than attached to their bodies.

Some way we must open our perceptual paradigms to the TRUTH of our being…to be able to see the interconnectedness of all things and all people.

“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” Steven Weinberg

 

Separation of church and state is no civil authority over religion. It is found in the U. S. Constitution in "the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise, of religion" and "that [provision]... which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U.S."

 

I'm taking a course in religion and granted I just started but this is my understanding so far...

the only reason they left religion out of the constitution is because they didn't want to dirty it with politics. Not so you and I can be religiously free.

 

"We ought to be no less persuaded than the propitious smiles of heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which heaven itself has ordained."

quote by George Washington during his inauguation address.

So the country was formed by the religious for the religious. It sucks. I'm of the secular opinion that faith is personal and not political. Unfortunately I'm of the minority.

p.s. there's alot more. but I don't feel like quoting it all. I might add some links later if my course website will let me... and if there's interest

 

The U. S. Government was granted no power over religion because:

Some, such as James Madison, believed that Christ ordained that the sacred "things that are God's" were not to be "entangled" with the secular "things that belong to Caesar"; and therefore did not want the U. S. Government interferring with the Separation of Church and State that had been achieved, after a great struggle, in Virginia.

Some, such as James Madison, reasoned that, "It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him...religion or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction...This duty is precedent, both in order of time and in degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considerd as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governour of the Universe: And if a member of Civil Society, do it with a saving of his allegiance to the Universal Sovereign...The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate...in matters of Religion, no man's right is abridged by the institution of Civil Society and that Religion is wholly exempt from its cognizance....still less can it be subject to that of the Legislative Body."

Some, such as Oliver Ellsworth, believed "that every member of society should, in some way, contribute to the support of religious institutions" [font=&quot]and did not want the U. S. Government to interfer with the state of Connecticut compeling its people to support the Protestant religion.[/font]

 

Boy…that is an understatement!

Damn right…the U. S. Government was granted no power over religion...It’s the other way around…If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck then by GOD it’s a duck!

Monotheism defines an authoritarian hierarchical bureaucracy and our God dammed government IS one.

One Nation under God!

Separation? Hell no…there is NO separation between monotheism and the U. S. Government.

One defines the other.

Subterfuge, corruption and sleight of hand have resulted in cultural institutions that demand authoritarian conformity and bureaucratic compliance and then have the gall to call it freedom.

We the People are asleep at the wheel with our eyes wide open…hypnotized by the vile drone of competitive consumerism! We speak peace and love and we rape the earth!

We the people are pissing in our rivers, polluting our skies and abusing our children…

Wake up!

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion." Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate