I'll take a stab Ursula. I believe that it's probably a felony. That would make it hard to get a job. Any time that you apply for a job in the U.S. you have to admit whether or not you have been comvicted of a felony. If yes, you have to explain yourself. I'm not sure how long you would be in jail for, but perhaps until the war is over? I can't imagine them letting you out and not sending you to war.
Those who sit on their ass and bitch while someone else is out there fighting for our country deserve to be spat on.
This was the official policy of the U.S. in Vietnam. How do you think people who dropped napalm on children, who burnt villages to the ground and who raped children should have been greeted upon return to the U.S.? This pic is not of a unusual event. This kind of "military action" was common. There was a company of U.S. soldiers in one area of Vietnam that wore necklaces of human ears that they cut off of Vietnamese civilians they had murdered.
My two cents: if you don't agree/despise with what happened there don't go and greet those soldiers at all. You don't know those soldiers, you don't understand what they've been through or how much regret (or not) they had, which one did what. Me neither. Showing your hate on random soldiers seems very closeminded and sad to me.
Ahm.. I've read only first 2 pages and I don't understand. You say it was right to spit on soldiers because "they shot women and children" . So to kill enemy soldier is ok? I think it doesn't metter they killed only guys from enemy armies or innocent civilians too. Soldiers are people too and they were brought there without their willing just like American soldiers. There's no soldier in the world who wants the war.
Spitting might not be the nicest way to get the point across, but I can think of alot worse ways. It washes off, death does not. And the point was definately made or we would not be still arguing about it after all these years. "Fighting for our country" is a joke, or a lie. We wouldn't be a country if it were not for the people who live here. And the majority of people do not support the war now and did not support the war then either. So that is a very old and tired and untrue statement.
I view all soldiers who fought in Vietnam and those in Iraq as accomplises to mass murder and war crimes. Like the getaway driver for bank robbers. If everyone who was notified they were going to be shipped off to a far away country to kill innocent civilians grew a spine and refused to go, the war in Vietnam would have been over real fuckin quick. I spent 5 years in Canada because I refused being a paid murderer. It would be totally different if foriegn troops were attacking our country. But Vietnam didn't and neither did Iraq. Tiny N. Vietnam wasn't a threat to the US and neither was Iraq. You know that current case where U.S. soldiers went into a house, gang raped a 14-year old girl, killed her and her mom, dad, and baby sister, and burned her body? If you support the war/troops then you support their actions. Again, what those soldiers did is not uncommon. Back here we don't hear of a lot of stuff that goes on in Iraq. Like U.S. troops robbing Iraqi's, raping and torturing them. Except now their a little more slick. If US troops go into a house and rape/murder people inside, they call in an air strike when they're done to blow up the house and destroy evidence.
I view soldiers more as pawns in a deadly game being played out by world govts. I really wish they knew more of alternatives to the Army, but some are forced in because of economic issues. Too many people still find glory in war, patriotism etc. Those in the army are perhaps more gullible, prone to being influenced by the forces around them. I don't agree with what they do, their choice of life...but I would never spit on them or get in their face. I just don't care enough, I have better things to do.
You're assuming too much; I never spat on soldiers coming back from Vietnam. If you kill civilians that is murder. It doesn't become ok because the soldier is in another country, or because someone they know was killed by someone their victim knew. I have no compassion for mass murders, like many soldiers in both Vietnam and Iraq. I support the freedom fighters in Iraq, just as I would support people in this country who fought against anyone who invaded us.
I'm with you on many points you made in this thread, but I do feel very sorry for mass murderers. Isn't life about helping the people who went on the wrong path, forgive when it's possible and when it isn't possible for someone, don't spit the man in the face? I didn't assume you where there though, I just wanted to get back to the main point of this thread. When someone committed sick deeds in such a horrible situation it's not right to kick him in the ground like they did with the returning soldiers from Vietnam.
So how would you welcome back a soldier who had raped a 4-year old girl, and then when he was done with her tossed her in the air and "caught" her on his bayonet? This was admitted to by one of Lt. Calley's men at the My Lai massacre. P.S. he got off scott-free, no punishment. Apparently our gov't felt this was ok, as long as it was done to a gook.
I'm honestly not sure how I would welcome them, but I do know coming to the airport just to spit soldiers in the face isn't good for anything.
EXACTLY. Easy for these ass-holes to say from their couch. There is such thing as a bad sodier or an out of line soldier. Some soldiers do rape and murder. But to say negative things and blanket statements towards all soldiers just deadwrong. These people serve and protect us for a living. How about some respect for the group as a whole?
Those who sit on their ass and bitch while someone else is out there fighting for our country deserve to be spat on. If we had never fought for our country we wouldn't have a country. Just because of the Vietnam debacle and Bush's / CIA's mistake in starting the Iraq war does not mean people should be making blanket anti-soldier statement's. How about we wwlk a mile in their shoes before we judge?