Is the goverment too powerful for a revolution?

Discussion in 'Protest' started by Folkhippie90, Jan 17, 2007.

  1. Folkhippie90

    Folkhippie90 Member

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    I would really like to live in a world where i am proud of this country and the people who run it. But in order for that to happen, there has to be a revolution. But with global warming and all that shit, im not sure we are even gonna make it long enough for it to happen. But if we do make it long enough to where everyone wants change, dou you guys think it would work? Or is the goverment too powerful and just kill us all?
     
  2. Benther Dondat

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    A we the people government is only too powerful when we the people stop governing ourselves. A we the people government is corrupt when we the people condone or passively allow behavior that supports competitive consumerism, environmental degradation and social fascism. A we the people government sins when we the people teach our trusting children to compete and possess and to bow to a corrupt we the people authority. The bottom line is that we the people are sitting on our fucking we the people hands entranced by the drone of mind numbing TV programming and the babble of self indulging we the people bureaucratic zombies. If we the people want good we the people government then we the people better damn well get off our we the people God fearing self-centered, self-indulgent, head-in-the-sand, collective we the people asses *We the people are going to have start caring about... we the people* You and I MUST be honest, do good work, think good thoughts, do good deeds, cooperate, celebrate nature and each other and above allYou and I must teach our kids to be good gardeners.

    What do YOU think?

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  3. commie-dev

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    a revolution in the us is near impossible. First, ninety percent of americans are middle class-therefore automatically disregarding all marxist theories because of the general contempt by the people- and secondly, everyone had to gothrough an education system where democracy was taught as the only politically correct formof gov.
    Personally, i hope for an anarchist revolution resulting in communism, but initiating that revolution would be extreemly difficult. well, it depends on what kind of revolution you are talking about-and how radical it is
     
  4. commie-dev

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    and americans are in general stereotypically lazy- we sit around and bitch about stuff and vote for other people to make a change. Im trying to start an activism club at my school to arrange protests and things. I wanna make a difference too, but right now im not doin much. :)
     
  5. green_revolution

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    As long as there is a thoughtful group of commited citizens, revolution is never impossible. But I think the big mistake people make is waiting for it to happen. A revolution will never happên if you just wait. You've got to BE the revolution. Start a band, start a newspaper, put on a play, anything to get your ideas circulating. Before a revolution can happen, you've got to get people Talking first. Like Gandhi said, "Be the change you wish to see". If you stay true to yourself and if what you're saying is honest and true, then people will pick up on your ideas. But you have to set an example first.
    I wrote an article for this anarchist zine in my school that talks about this more in depth which I think I'm gonna post on here sometime soon so watch out for it if you're interested.
     
  6. Magical Fire Lady

    Magical Fire Lady Senior Member

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    Baby anything is possible!
     
  7. Go ask alice

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    Stop buying things... by realising we do not need even half the things we buy we devalue our resident currency, be that the pound, dollar, whatever. If we need to buy less we can work less and have more fun, but also capitalism survives on a consumerist society... cut out the consumer and the system will eventually weaken and fall. They need us to keep buying so that we keep working to buy, vicious circle, I wonder what society would do without its worker ants?
     
  8. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Seems many folks have invested themselves in big goverment paternalism.
    Our goverments can only grow larger, more costly and less efficent untill
    that changes.
     
  9. Jinx

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    If it was a full blown revolution... maybe. but that happening is very slim. most americans like the way of life. the ones that don't, the ones that are sane, they will be called radicals and shunned. the government will call them commies or some other such nonsense and it wouldnt work.
     
  10. Eeso

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    "the bigger they are, the harder they fall"
    The US government will eventually collapse under its own weight. It will happen unaided, though perhaps not in my lifetime.
    If it's helped to that end? Well who knows...
     
  11. green_revolution

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    Maybe, but what's to stop an ever more powerful and controlling state to take its place?
     
  12. Benther Dondat

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    Those that fall will fall because they do not know self government...those that do know and work hard already celebrate and honor this earth and each other...every day.

    There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow!

    The nature in human nature is Mother Nature and the mother of nature is the garden!
     
  13. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    What most ppl don't realize is that the US gov't is already prepared for a revolution of the people. Why do you think all the new domestic spying laws were put in place. They are EXPECTING a revolution!

    Cointelpro has been started up again (the secret program that spied upon American activists), the executive branch of gov't has more power to supress dissent than ever before. We have NEW spy agencies, and more ppl spying on Americans, all our electronic communications are now routinely sifted for any sign of "suspicious activity" which can include things like just joining greenpeace or mentioning a protest. More camps like Guantanamo are ready to be opened on a moment's notice. New hi-tech weapons for controlling urban protests are in place, ready to go.

    The MINUTE a conspiracy develops on any level the spooks are gonna be all over it. People will be watched, infiltrators will be put in place, saboteurs will take action, people will be arrested in the middle of the night, and disappear. Our right to habeus corpus (quick trial) has already been suspended, so ppl can be held incommunicado indefinitely.

    Don't forget too, all protesters who've been arrested within the last six years (no matter what the protest was about), are now in the CIA, Pentagon, FBI, NSA and other secret databases. So if any kind of revolution were to start, those agencies will be calling on everyone of those protestors and locking them up, regardless of whether they are currently active or even remotely involved in a revolution.

    In other words the gov't has been preparing for just this scenario because they are expecting to do things that will piss off most Americans (are YOU pissed off yet?). And you can be sure things will get much worse before anything gets better.

    They are using the techniques they did back in J. Edgar Hoover's day, plus with the capabilities of today's computer tech to monitor every move & word people make, they can indeed supress a revolution the moment the word starts to spread.

    But the electronic revolution is also on the side of the revolutionaries. Those fighting the US overseas have developed methods of using the technology to their own advantage to spread the word, disseminate propaganda, but not to communicate anything about upcoming actions. Revolutionaries should use the media to spread their message, but be very careful about organizing anything in a way that can be monitored or recorded.

    I hope evolution will eventually bring about the changes we need. There is some hope from the recent elections that we can still influence the course this country takes. If voters are still unhappy about that in 2008, we can vote out the remaining old guard that continues to see the world as us against them.

    A few more election cycles with the people voicing their displeasure with their gov't and we could have a peaceful evolution to completely new policies. It's still wishful thinking given the SYSTEM that we live under. But like Benther Dondat says, we are the people, this is our responsibility under the system to ensure that we have a representative gov't.

    Unfortunately most Americans are still asleep at the wheel. However many are waking up to see that we are heading for a catastrophe, and attempting to alter the course. We must continue to waken people from their maya induced illusions and passivity. Perhaps then we can take the wheel and steer a more peaceful, unifying course...
     
  14. palaeopeasant

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    It is precisely We the People who are at issue and at stake here. A "Revolution" is absurd if it is some vanguardist elistist effort by radical fringes with neither contact nor support with "the people".

    As long as 45% of the USA populace even bothers to vote...it is absurd to speak of any "revolution" that does not involve simply animating the people to do what the system claims we are already empowered and free to do...VOTE...Government BY THE PEOPLE. As long as 55% of the electorate sits on its duff, how can there be Revolution. Now, if the majority VOTES and then the system forcibly DENIES the expression of their democratic will, then it turns to revolution, but we are not there. We in theory have the means to change the system. Can it be done as long as the same money controls the govt, the media, the means of production...?

    Part of it IS indeed in the garden, it is local, it involves a drastic lifestyle change for most Americans. One must be conscious and spread the consciousness of the truth behind consumerism, the usurpation of local power and economic autonomy by corporate powers, the consolidation of mindless megalithic economic power, etc., etc. One's daily life interacts with this system, as well as does one's political activity.

    Dilettante pseudo-intellectual "revolutionaries" which are the only sort I see or hear much of these days, will accomplish nothing but give the system more excuses to ratchet up the repression, will alienate people unhip enough to not grasp the esoteric truths of pierced pseudo-anarchist babbling disenchanted youth (did not this occur en masse in the 60's already?), and siphons off energy which otherwise could be devoted to real change.

    Oh, but as Michael Moore has pointed out, hanging with the actual working class and dealing with precinct politics and local issues is so much less fun than throwing rocks at a WTO meeting. And so it goes...

    Too bad there is so little real revolutionary thinking going on out there at this time when civilization as we know it is speeding toward a concrete wall. History will piss on your remains.
     
  15. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    As long as our children and grandchildren expect us to go into debt every Christmas to provide the latest toys there will be no revolution.
     
  16. Benther Dondat

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    In our country our government has already indebted generations of kids unborn. We certainly are not paying as we go!

    Amerika is asleep at the wheel with eyes wide open!

    Every day people are waking up and abandoning the yoke of the wheel!

    I hear more and more the muted calls of true revolutionaries...

    We are all children of this amazing earth…Peace and Love!

    The tide is eternal!

    "Each moment is the fruit of forty thousand years." T. W.

    The nature in human nature is Mother Nature and the mother of nature is the garden!
     
  17. YEM36313

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    I think that this is a very unsettling time for a lot of people. Well, at least i know it is for me. The energy of the earth is just "off." To me, it feels like we are barreling out of control and headed for some kind of inevitable crash. I dont know if it means just some sort of culmination to unrest of the people in general or what, but i feels like a storm is brewing in the hearts and minds of the american public. I can only speak for myself, but it is my feeling that people in my generation feel very upset about the way their lives are being dictated to them by..well, old white men. i feel that my generation has increasing potential to change things, if we want to.
    I think people are scared too. you know, i know that facts... what they (govt) can do to us; how they can contain us and shut us down. But i am not concerned with any of that, because i am ready for the fight. I just wish that we knew how we could rise above. There is no simple answer, but i wish that my generation could find a way to unite in purpose... that, i guess, is what it would take.
     
  18. Delilah

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    Is a revolution impossible??? NO.... Is a revolution unlikely?? Yeah, because people just don't give a damn about the world that we live in, but if they did they would see that it's BOUT' TIME TO START A REVOLUTION.
     
  19. Jack Maundrell

    Jack Maundrell C.A.P

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    This just brings more of a challenge... bring it on
     
  20. DQ Veg

    DQ Veg JUSTYNA'S TIGER

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    Bingo. It's exactly what we need and it's the only solution, as far as I can see...
     

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