Dutch Big Brother Watching and LISTENING to you!

I see most of the us cities you chose to use are "ghetto" cities. Ask any SF person what they think of Oakland. USA has always had higher murder/crime rates in part to the 2nd amendment "right to bear arms" freedom and the fact we have more dipshits than everyone else.

 

I don't think of those cities as "ghetto" cities. Skip picked the 3 cities in the Netherlands with the highest murder rates and I choose the 4 cities in the USA with the highest murder rates as comparison.

And I'm still waiting for Skip to see his mistake in his quote " It shows the Netherlands had 3 times the murder rate for the US."

And from Skip's source http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas...aties/artikelen/archief/2005/2005-1666-wm.htm
it says "No increase in murder rate since 1990" in the Netherlands. But Skip's quote "Regardless, it shows a huge increase in murder (3xs) in the past 2 decades." seems to contradict his own source.

 

shouldn't you be comparing cities with simular populations not highest crime/murder rates? those are ghetto cities and the reason why they have the highest crime rates. we just have so many wing-nuts in this country of ours.

 

These cities do have similar populations:
Atlanta - 470,000
The Hague - 472,000
Washington, DC - 582,000
Rotterdam - 588,000
Baltimore - 635,000
Amsterdam - 741,000
Detroit - 886,000

How much more similar do you need?

 

Skip, why did you edit my post?

 

The U.S. is beautiful and has things wrong with it... the Netherlands are beautiful and have things wrong there as well... sounds like the rest of the world to me, although I'd rather be in the U.S. or the Netherlands, over the rest of the world.

PEACE,
islandgurl

 

I totally agree with you islandgurl

 

'cause whiteout woulda been too noticable:tongue:

 

Skip said "In the last few years violent crime has continued to surge, and I can't find accurate figures for it (other crime has declined recently)"

Seems the murder rate has been dropping since before Skip left Amsterdam.

from: www.expatica.com/actual/toc.asp?subchannel_id=1

Sharp fall in violent crime deaths
5 December 2006

AMSTERDAM - The number of murders and manslaughter cases in the Netherlands strongly declined again this year.

Magazine Elsevier reported on Tuesday that 2006 could record an all-time low number of violent deaths.

Up until now, 140 murders or manslaughter cases have been recorded across the country, compared with 201 in 2005, another relatively bloodless year.

Elsevier has kept a tally of annual murders and manslaughters since 1992. In the mid-1990s, an average of 250 people died a violent death.

In 1997, some 283 people were murdered or were the victim of manslaughter. In 2001, there were 255 victims. But in the years that followed, the figures barely rose above 200.

Only 2003 proved an exception when 232 people were killed.

Elsevier predicts that between 160 and 170 violent deaths will be registered this year, based on December averages.

It said the number of violent deaths had "spectacularly" declined in the three largest cities. In Amsterdam, 32 murders were recorded last year compared with 16 so far this year.

Elsevier said the decline in violent deaths was developing into a trend, attributing the fall to the aging population because older people commit fewer violent crimes than younger people.

It also said improved economic activity, reduced use of the aggression-inducing drug crack among drug addicts, accelerated responses to domestic violence, a reduced number of asylum seekers and tighter asylums laws have contributed to the fall in violent crime.

Asylum seekers and illegal immigrants have been over-represented in violent crimes statistics in recent years, Elsevier reported.

 

New investigations show. The last 3 years criminality has dropped each year, but more criminitaly nowadays is with violence than before.

 

Just wondering. Never saw you do that before.

 

published: Thursday, December 28 2006, 9:34AM

The number of murders (and manslaughter) in Amsterdam in 2006 has decreased with more than 50%.
Whereas in 2005 36 people died in Amsterdam because of violence, in 2006 this number is (until today) only 17.

Also other big cities have seen a radical decrease.
Rotterdam: 18 in 2006 (down from 38 in 2005)
The Hague: 10 in 2006 (down from 35).

It is estimated that in the entire country about 170 will have been killed by the end of the year (down from 201 in 2005).

The province of Limburg, in the South-East of the country (capital: Maastricht), is the only region where the number of killings has gone up.

Police say the decrease can be partially explained by the growing attention for domestic violence (most murders are family-related), and also by the fact that the average age of the population is growing (older people commit less crimes)

 

By KAREN MATTHEWS, Associated Press Writer
3:43 AM PST, December 28, 2006

NEW YORK -- Gangs, drugs, easy access to guns and a disturbing tendency among young people to pull guns to demand respect were among the causes authorities cited in trying to explain this year's increase in murders in New York and many other major cities after years of decline.

The number of murders reached its highest levels in a decade or more in some places, but some big cities, including Los Angeles, reported drops in the number of murders.

New York reported 579 homicides through Dec. 24 -- a nearly 10 percent increase from the year before. The spike mostly reflects an unusually large number of "reclassified homicides," or those involving victims who were shot or stabbed years ago but did not die until this year. Thirty-five such deaths have been added to this year's toll, compared with an annual average of about a dozen.

At the same time, Police Department spokesman Paul Browne noted that this year's total comes after last year's 539 homicides -- the city's lowest death toll in more than 40 years.

Browne blamed the rise in part on the availability of guns, particularly weapons from out of state. The city this year sued dozens of out-of-state gun shops that it says are responsible for many of the illegal weapons on the city's streets.

In Chicago, homicides through the first 11 months of the year were up 3.3 percent compared with the same period in 2005, reversing a four-year decline.

Houston police attribute a 15 percent increase in the homicide count to the influx of Katrina evacuees from the Gulf Coast.

"So we expect that to settle," Lt. Murray Smith said. "We're hoping it will go down."

Some cities, such as Cincinnati -- which has had 83 homicides so far, up from 79 in 2005 -- posted their highest numbers ever. Others saw their highest death tolls in years.

Oakland, Calif., had 148 homicides as of Wednesday, up 57 percent from last year. The number was the highest in more than a decade.

Philadelphia's 2006 homicide total was 403 as of Wednesday, the first time the number has topped 400 in nearly a decade. There were 380 murders in 2005.

Philadelphia officials have struggled all year to reduce the violence. In July, Mayor John F. Street gave a televised address in which he pleaded with young people: "Lay down your weapons. Do it now. Choose education over violence."

In New Haven, Conn., homicides were up this year by more than 50 percent, to 23 as of Tuesday. Police chief Francisco Ortiz said young people were too quick to use firearms.

"They're all struggling with this thing about respect and pride," he said. "It's about respect. It's about revenge. It's about having a reputation. It's about turf, and it's about girls."

Los Angeles' total was down about 4 percent to 464 homicides through Dec. 23. San Francisco's fell about 15 percent. San Francisco Police Sgt. Steve Mannina said the drop is partly due to increased patrols in violence-prone areas and the approval of more overtime.

New Orleans, with its post-Katrina exodus, is the only major U.S. city that saw a sharp decline in the number of homicides. Police spokesman Sgt. Jeffrey Johnson said there were 154 in New Orleans this year as of Monday, down from 210 in 2005. But the city was largely empty during the fall and winter of 2005-06, and even now has only about half of its pre-Katrina population of 455,000.

The FBI does not release its national crime statistics until several months after the end of the year. The bureau's statistics for the first six months of 2006 showed an increase of 1.4 percent in the number of murders in the first half of 2006 compared with the same period in 2005.

Andrew Karmen, a criminologist at John Jay College in New York, said that while there are various theories for the drop in murders in New York and other cities in the 1990s, no one knows for sure why they decreased. He noted that police departments tend to take credit when the murder toll goes down.

"When crime goes up, it will be interesting to see whether they will accept responsibility," Karmen said.

 

damn, i didnt know crime was that scarce lol; the netherlands is certainly a nice place. baltimore usually has 250-300 murders annually, and our population is around 600,000 i believe.

 

This is all the proof we need of the potential of bullshit to take place in our beloved city.

What a shame!

Policed State Amsterdam

 

This message below is a blatant go aimed at SKIP from me

My original username was brainless but he banned me
I have no argument with anyone else apart from him.

Skip started this thread with his comment on the first page

I replied with this

I'm neither paranoid or got anything to hide.!
You seem very anti-establishment skip, generally.

A day later he replied with this and banned me

Lame responses. That's exactly what encourages them to remove more of your freedoms and privacy rights. You get what you deserve.

All I can say is that this SKIP is pathetic for banning me with what I said.
hardly worth banning me for such a passive reply but he felt different and booted me off because it seems he's bitter and paranoid himself and couldn't handle my reply. How pathetic is this SKIP anyway on these forums............


Watch this username now get banned

who cares.

not me

oh and skip, IP bans don't work either.