Did Holocaust Really Happen?

“You need to read the book first. It is not based on opinion or feelings: it is factually based.”

From what I’ve read, it is bias opinion extrapolated from misinterpreted information.

“When you've read it we can chat, until then, you are biased against the truth”

But it isn’t truth just opinion.

“I give ZERO weight to your request that I write in my own words. I have written in my own words. When it comes to facts, facts can and SHOULD be cut and pasted LOL!.Facts are facts.”

But you are not posting facts you are posting opinion that you can’t back up.

“Its like you saying, let's debate whether or not wwII happened, but you cant use an encyclopedia as evidence LOL! You have to use your own words. You sound silly.”

I don’t need an encyclopædia to discuss world war two or its veracity. This maybe your problem you seem unable to do your own research and then think for yourself.

All you have done here is say that your can’t answer the questions put to you, which means my accusation stands, your assertions are just bull shit.

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“A person would start with the idea that something is wrong in society”

OK

“investigate and research intellectual movements that are poisoning society's foundations”

But it may only be your opinion that these ideas are ‘poisoning society's foundations’

“and then analyze the members of these intellectual movements by ethnic orgin”

What have ethnic origins got to do with it? This seems to confirm what I said, you are actively looking for an ethnic link from the start, that is a racist methodology not a impartial one.

This is what "the Culture of Critique" does. While you may disagree, many people who read this will agree. That's the bottom line.

Many people agree with Nazism or Stalinism or ethic cleansing but that doesn’t make them right.

“Are you going to read it?”

The bits I have read of it are crap.

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“You are very very very naive. Its not a conspiracy theory at all. I dont think Jews are trying to take over the world. THe evidence suggests that Jews are seeking to destroy European people by undermining their cultures with massive 3rd world immigration, cultural marxism, attacking christendom, promoting all kinds of cultural filth and degradation etc etc etc. "The Culture of Critique" describes this in great detail, citing Jewish writers. I know. You DONT WANT TO READ IT. Others do and thats more important for me.”

That sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Remember people that believe in a conspiracy theory don’t think it is a conspiracy theory to them it is true, it is a lot like having a religion, belief in dogma trumps any semblance of rational thought or reality.

 

Balbus: From what I’ve read, it is bias opinion extrapolated from misinterpreted information.

Topolm: Really? Kindly share with us the specific details in the book you feel are misinterpreted.





Topolm:“When you've read it we can chat, until then, you are biased against the truth”

Balbus:But it isn’t truth just opinion.

Topolm; Is the earth flat or round?
Does 1+1 =2
Sorry Balbus, you're in the real world. In the real world, the rational world, tangible, observable and measurable phenomena constitute truth. Only an uneducated brainwashed indeologue disagrees. Truth is not relative. Truth is an absolute.

Topolm:“I give ZERO weight to your request that I write in my own words. I have written in my own words. When it comes to facts, facts can and SHOULD be cut and pasted LOL!.Facts are facts.”

Balbus:But you are not posting facts you are posting opinion that you can’t back up.

Topolm: you dont like the academic tract I am collectively citing. There is a big difference between deductive reasoning and mere opinions. MacDonald applies deductive reasoning in order to come to his conclusions given the facts. Apparently you dont know the difference. S'ok, Topolm will gladly SKOOL you. Deductive reasoning is the kind of reasoning in which the conclusion is necessitated by, or reached from, previously known facts (the premises). If the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. Easy huh? Elements of Logic 101.

Balbus: I don’t need an encyclopædia to discuss world war two or its veracity. This maybe your problem you seem unable to do your own research and then think for yourself.
All you have done here is say that your can’t answer the questions put to you, which means my accusation stands, your assertions are just bull shit.

Topolm: Wow... What a confused individual you are. On one hand you say you want sources for my information on challenging me on my assertion that the media is by an large owned and controlled by Jews, on the other hand, you free yourself of the requirement to use factual sources when discussing WWII. I admit, I trapped you on purpose with the whole encyclopedia and ww2 bit to prove a point.

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Topolm:“A person would start with the idea that something is wrong in society”

Balbus:OK

Topolm:“investigate and research intellectual movements that are poisoning society's foundations”

Balbus: But it may only be your opinion that these ideas are ‘poisoning society's foundations’

Topolm: Well, the foundations of Western European Civilization are as follows:
1.Christianity
2.Free enterprise
3.Patriarchy
4.the nuclear family
5.morality
6. tradition
7. sexual restraint
8. loyalty
9. patriotism
10. nationalism
11. heredity
12.ethnocentrism
13.convention
14.rationalism

And no, it is a fact that theses fourteen attributes are the main charecteristics of European society before Jews began their intellectual "Culturally Marxist" onslaught. "The Culture of Critique" discusses this in great detail. Poisoning of society's foundation constitutes any form of cultural/societal subversion of these 14 pillars. So, no.... It is not an opinion: it is not an opinion that certain intellectual movements undermine society's foundation. Rather, it is an observable fact.
Watch and see how Jewish author Douglas Rushkoff describes what Jews are doing to destroy western civilization...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xufO-JIUB90

Topolm:“and then analyze the members of these intellectual movements by ethnic orgin”

Balbus: What have ethnic origins got to do with it? This seems to confirm what I said, you are actively looking for an ethnic link from the start, that is a racist methodology not a impartial one.

Topolm: You make absolutely no sense at all. It is widely established within historical archives that Jews constituted well over 85% of the murderous commisars during the Red Terror. Is this observation racist? By the minute you seem more and more like a moron to me. Rational methodology is impassionate and based on facts and deductive reasoning. Seems to me YOU personally dont like the conclusions reached by Prof Kevin MacDonald in the "Culture of Critique"

Balbus: Many people agree with Nazism or Stalinism or ethic cleansing but that doesn’t make them right.

Topolm: First and foremost, you are intellectually dishonest: you see nothing wrong with the ethnic cleansing occuring in the United States right now where European Americans are being demographically displaced with the blessings of a traitoroius political elite. YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS TYPE OF ETHNIC CLEANSING DO YOU.....
This is where that funny bit about Natural Law comes into play. I know you dont quite understand what natural law is and wont spend the time explaining it, but morallistic fallacies have no place in putting limits on expressions of natural law. Race exists. Races most readily come into conflict with unlike races. Humans are tribal. Tribal delineations are based on race. Ethnic cleansing has happened throughout history. Ethnic cleansing is now occuring in the United States: European Americans are being demographically displaced. European Americans are beginning to fight back (as nature dictates). Hey, dont attack the messenger, take your fight up with nature which is responsible for natural law.

Topolm:“Are you going to read it?”

Balbus:The bits I have read of it are crap.
So, pray tell me, what tiny little bits have you read that compelled you to provide a summary judgement on the book's merits? What you wrote sounds EXTREMELY un-intellectual.

 

Are these actually the foundation of what we would like a modern world based on? I personally have problems with more than half of them.

Actually I have problems with almost all of them.

 

That's really too bad that you have a problem with them LOL!

 

compos mentis. Retard.

But nice job waiting a few posts to try to insult me. Anyone who has read this thread can see you are avoiding talking points, while I am promoting them. I would like to discuss the Holocaust; that is what this thread is about.

That's okay, Sentient...just wait for this thread to get a few pages longer, then you can respond and call me a name without acknowledging arguement.
While you're at it, try to use some smart word (that you can't even spell) to avoid debate. Dumbass.
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Quick Topical Question of Logic: If there were an extermination policy from the NSDAP's inception, why did they try to deport the underclass? Why did they wait until they had a war on two fronts before attempting to kill millions of people like clockwork? Doesn't sound too efficient to me...
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Pikpek, good job using my words against me; it's nice to see somebody on this thread actually considering the topic.
What I meant was, current civilization may not be a "conspiracy," being knowingly propelled, but I see it more like human advancement going through ups and downs.
I didn't mean Sumner Redstone is making children wear g-strings, but his companies not only promote that, but dispromote any alternative.
I worked at a Blockbuster Video for a year and a half. On the front lines of capitalism I saw many a young mother bring her children to the Kid's Movies section to rent a video called Bratz. Just click the link. Girls who aren't even double-digits in age are indoctrinated with this garbage, and any 9 year old girl who doesn't want to wear a fucking thong is likely ostricized. What happened to Strawberry Shortcake?
I'm not accusing Sumner Redstone of a sinister plot; I just wish he'd be more responsible and thinking about how he and others like him are molding the minds of our kids, instead of being concerned about what latest trend is going to get profit.
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Angel Headed Hipster, sorry bout the delay, I have no freakin clue what those chemtrails are, but I see planes..."depositing" them up there and hours later it has faded out into a thick cloud. Honestly, if there's two or three up there in the morning, by noon the sky will be bland and gray. Why, damn good question.
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whew and finally Balbus, you're stepping on a huuge topic there. I can only sum it up that if there were not a seperate organization of government and media and money, which I think are the last hurdles to freedom, art would be in a free enough stage that you wouldn't have to worry about prescribed trends like the tele feeds you.
Right now we live in what I call a "Television Society" where you get info and entertainment from somebody else who "owns" airwaves.
We need to move to an "Internet Society" where the media is free to the point where art comes from individual sources, not companies looking for profit. People would be a lot more unique and free-thinking...like that thread I wrote last year...here I would have to type all this again to fully answer...and even then it may be incomplete

sorry bout the long post folks, thanks a lot

 

OR you could be a Chicago Cubs Baseball Fan !



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I personally have problems with all of them but morality, but then morality means different things to different people.

My sense of morality is not necessarily your sense of morality. And I respect that!

 

I want to preserve civilization.

 

By being an ignorant, racist, sexist, pig?

Your kind of civilization is not one I would want to inhabit. After reading your endless Rtarded spoogefests, one can't help but wonder....


Why the hell are you posting on a Hippy forum full of...

Jews
Muslims
Christians
Agnostics
Atheists
Hindus
Buddists
Straight
Gay
Bisexual
White
Black
Hispanic
East Indian
Asian
Native American
ect.....just about every kind of person on earth?

Hippies also tend to be synonimous with sexual expression/freedom, love for all people, and equality for all, and no war/genocide/murder.

Why are you here? What do you hope to accomplish?

 

From the dozen of positive PM's I've been getting, I would say I'm accomplishing quite a bit in exposing the racism of Jews, and how racist elitists use multiculturalism to control people and prevent them from achieving self determination. We're on the same side. You just haven't realized it yet.

 

Really? That's cool. So I suppose you support genital mutilation and rape of little girls in Africa because doing these acta are part of their value system. Yeah... I suppose I see your point.

 

I find that hard to believe unless those PMs are from lurkers who joined after you gave them the link to this forum at the last KKK meeting.

 

Whatever turns you on sunshine ;-)

 

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Those things are not part of the average African culture...any of the some 1000 completely different cultures that exist on the continent.

FGM is a gruesome and outdated procedure that has been abandoned except in Rural parts Ethiopia, Sudan, Nigeria, and Egypt. There are some rare cases of it occuring in the major cities but more baby boys have their foreskin cut off everyday in the Western cultures then girls having their clits cut off in African cultures in a year.

As for the rapes of little African girls..it happens..but it's not isolated to Africa nor is it exceptable in most cultures there.

You show your blatant racism again with your insinuations that the whole populace of Africa is nothing but savage, baby-rapers.

 

Whatever. I've been to South Africa, Uganda, Rwanda and Sierra Leone. Savagery is widely practiced throughout all of Africa. Too bad you dont like reality. Have you been there? Have you EVER been outside the US?

 

Cynical Otter, you make a good point as to wondering why Topholm is posting here, but I wonder even more why, if you really are an open-minded thinker, you bash Topholm and call him a racist?

Aren't you becoming the monster you wish to destory?

For example, I may not agree with Rabbi Kahane,
but I damn well agree with his right to an individual viewpoint.

I don't mean any negativity with this post, but I find a lot of people who call themselves "liberal" (in the post 9/11 world) are just as closed minded as the conservatives whom they are trained to blindly hate.

Folks, should we discuss facts here, or stick to petty name calling?

 

But sometimes racist or antisemite is the right word. We can agree with your right to be a racist or an antisemite, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't call you by your correct name.

 

That's convenient. You are also basing your opinion on Africa on 4 countries. Two of which are in the throws of tribal civil war and one that has been in the media spotlight for a few decades due to the rise and fall of Apartheid.

To answer your other question..yes..I have actually been to Senegal and Morocco. I went there while in college. I witnessed no savagery in either country. I also know ALOT of people from Algeria and Kenya. Nice, normal people who have the same desires and goals as the rest of us.

You debate your opinions like some 14 year old that visited the RAHOWA website one to many times. I notice how you refuse to state your age and location. Perhaps it's because you are some kid sitting on his computer all day over in rural Idaho?

I'll ask you again, if you insist on being so vitriolic against anyone who isn't white and Christian...why are you here?

 

He is racist. That's not bashing, it's stating the facts. Kblaze, how long have we been posting on these forums? I have been on Hipforums since 2001 and many many members here know that I don't do PCism. You should know that by now. I don't treat anyone with kid-gloves.

I calls it likes I sees it. If you act like a fucking whore, I'm gonna call you a fucking whore. If you act like a racist, you are gonna get called a racist. It's not like I'm calling the Virgin Mary a slut. I'm simply giving someone an appropriate label.

From the moment Topolm joined, he/she/it has done nothing but preach and "educate" the rest of us heathens on "TEH EVOL J3W CONSPIRACIES OH NOES!!". Topolm could take a discussion on the color of the clouds and spin it as Jew propaganda. It's annoying and I have seen members tossed from the forums for lesser infractions.

I suggest he/she/it goes back to the Prussian Blue Fan Forums where that rhetoric is appreciated and undebated.

Tis all.

 

Wahh wahh wahh!!! You dont like that the truth contradicts your conditioning... Oh well. That's your problem, not mine ;-)