This absolutely sucks.

HitThatShit- Cows and chickens actually do die because of the egg/dairy industry. Males born from dairy cows are raised as veal calves, where they live in small solitary crates and are deprived of nutrients so that their flesh remains that 'appealing' white color. Males born from egg-laying hens are either put into bags and suffocated or put through grinders alive because they're thought of as 'useless'. While these deaths aren't directly effecting milking cows and hens, they are a direct cause of the industry, and I choose not to support it. Also, this might be a result of my veganism, but I don't like the idea of eating/drinking anything that's meant for a different species. A cow's milk is meant for a calf, a human's milk for a human.

 

Actually I wholeheartedly agree with you there. Cow's milk is quite the opposite of the healthful exilir that it's made out to be. Can't stand the stuff.

Silk is good 'ish.
And highly O/T but silk creamer makes a kickass white russian. Better'n real cream, and better for ya.

 

Eoso, you obviously know more about deer overpopulation than I do. I'll have a look at those links and educate myself better on the issue.

When we destroy habitats to build a new WalMart, business corporation, or even a mansion I'd hardly say it's an attempt to survive.

One thing- deer are overpopulating the earth and destroying forests, but aren't we as well? Why aren't we considered to be overpopulated?

Good idea.

 

I can only have so much Silk before it starts to taste bad. The chocolate kind is really good though.

 

ya, thats really fucked up. but u have to admit, veal is fucking incredible


Edit: goddamn it. I was thinking about the talk of veal and now i desperately crave it cuz i have the munchies like a mother fucker.

 

Forestry is one of my 'things'

You're damn right it's not. Hence the conundrum. The machine is so big, there's not a wrench big enough to jam up the works. It has to fall under it's own weight, which will happen, and we can certainly help that along.

Depends on who you ask. I tend to believe we are.
What to do about it? Well the simplest answer is to stop having so many damn kids, but it's a much more complicated question than that. People are living longer and longer, and the greater population (in the USA and westernized countries) is getting less and less intelligent, while at the same time our technological prowess is getting more and more advanced.
It's an interesting dichotomy.

I have my own theorys but I'm afraid I don't have an answer to give you.

 

I don't think I've ever had veal.

And just eat some chips for your munchies

 

ive never had veal either, nor my parents :S

 

Youre Missing Out. Go Get Some Veal Parmesan Jesus Christ.

 

To the op:

Sometimes you gotta suck it up and not be so stupidly restrictive of yourself. If you live your whole like to pre-formed plans and ideals you won't experience anything because you already know what's gonna happen, your beliefs tell you that. Step outside of your comfort zone and truely experience something for what it is.

If you don't wanna eat something because of w/e reason that's fine, but you'll miss out on a shitload of stuff that life has too offer.

To justagirl:

We are one of the only animals to drink milk past infancy and I'll tell you why.
1) it tastes fucking amazing
2) somewhat nutritious (although not any more than an equal amount of some other drink)
3) before there were magic pills you could take in the event of you being a pussy and not wanting to eat/drink something because of what it is people needed calcium, and BAM milk was the answer.

Also, we live a lot longer than other mammals, could it be the milk? Who knows.

EDIT: If you don't eat meat, I just hope you realise that you AREN'T changing the world and that I'm still going to eat it no matter if I kill it myself or not, because why? IT TASTES FUCKING GOOD.

I love animals and nature, but humans are omnivorous and survival is my main concern.

 

Stupidly restrctive? And I don't have to suck it up because I care more about remaining vegan than doing mushrooms. I hardly doubt that I'm going to experience a fulfilled life because I decide to eat a hamburger. This is one thing I'm restricting myself on...food... that doesn't mean I can't experience all the 'great' things meat-eaters do.

People who decide to take pills because they dislike milk are pussies? Are humans in general pussies because they don't drink the milk made specifically for them, instead, borrowing it from cows?

So by drinking cows milk, humans live longer. Whales live longer than us, are we going to hop in the ocean and try to live their lifestyle?

That's ignorant.

Humans no longer need meat to survive. You don't eat it for survival, you eat it because it 'tastes fucking good'.

 

All of mortes post is ignorant.
Only designed to provoke an emotional response, not a rational one, to satisfy whatever twisted sense of humor/self worth/etc.. they have.

Just a fine example of the opposite of civil discourse I mentioned earlier

 

wtf!? there is soooo much more food to eat which isnt meat. it's not like you're going to die if you don't have a piece of chicken..

 

i live in a "deep south" type neck of the woods, so not eating chicken is out of the question.

 

Yeah chicken is a southern staple.

 

The fact is that vegeterians are, and will always be a minority and no matter what vegans do theys till wont be able to change the fact that ppl eat meat. Go on, keep on fighting a fight you cant win, you can stop eating meat, just know that nothing will change... OR think about the idea that since the animal is already dead and since not eating it wont change anything you could aswell just eat meat and ENJOY food...


BTW how can vegans talk about doing something that is unatural when they reject the concept of the alimentary chain in the very first place?

 

SOMEone needs to lay off the black sabbath and start puffing some cheeb yo

 

No need for the personal attacks people. Seriously, I'm not vegan - but I respect folks for sticking to something as a matter of principal. What do those of you taunting care about. Probably not principals.

 

The vegetarian/vegan population is growing. Slowly, sure, but that doesn't mean that in the distant future people as a whole won't adopt a vegetarian diet. There have been plenty of people who became vegetarian after learning about animal cruelty, are you telling me that there's no change happening? If I and all the other vegetarians/vegans began eating meat again, millions more animals would have to die for us each year, on top of the billions that already do.

I already posted about this, go find it, though I doubt you will since you probably only came here to try to convince me that my beliefs are stupid and don't really care what I have to say.

I don't reject the food chain, I reject factory farming and other cruel industries. Where do you get your meat from, the grocery store?


Come on now, I'm sick of trying to defend myself with people who criticize me, that's not why I made this thread. Do you think that telling me I'm not making a difference is gonna make me go eat a hamburger? Fucking let it go, I'm not trying to get you to stop eating meat so stop trying to prove my beliefs wrong.


gaum- I live in Alabama.