There always seems to be some confusion as to the difference between the two. Do you feel there is a difference and what is the difference? Here is what Wiki says(and don't give me any shit about jews owning wiki, please, if you have better definitions, post them, thats what the thread is for): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism Still not very clear, huh? Where do you draw the line?
First, just quickly, _technically_ anti-Semitism should be being against "semitic" people which would include Arabs as well. But functionally we use it to denote anti-Jewish sentiment. I VERY STRONGLY believe that it's important to differentiate anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. I view them as entirely different issues, and at least my sense is that the accusation of anti-Zionism being anti-Semitic is made primarily by the Jewish community. I'm Jewish, I spent 13 years in Jewish schools, but I absolutely believe you need to keep the two ideas separate. My own personal views on Israel are conflicted and I'm sure would not go well with some in the Jewish community (especially my former teachers), but I think it is outrageous for someone to accuse a person who opposes Israel of being anti-Semitic. While it MAY in fact be the case, it by no means necessarily is, and I can quite easily picture someone being troubled by Israel itself without holding views about Jews. So that's my two cents. I think they really need to be viewed separately. You can easily identify when someone is both Anti-Zionist AND Anti-Semitic, but one should not necessarily imply the other.
I find that anti-zionism is widely used (not least within hipforums) as a cover for anti-semitism. I also think some people get duped into spreading anti-semetic material disguised as anti-zionism. I find it hard to decide whether wishing for the elimination of the state of Israel involves no anti semitism. It is possible, but to me seems like word games, as practiced by Ahmednejad.
Let's face it, Israel is one of the most racist, hate-mongering nations on the globe. Scratch that, they ARE the most racist, hate-mongering nation on the globe. Moreso than the US. Zionism is largely behind the neocon agenda and these wars for imperialist control, as it has been behind most of the bloodshed in the Middle East for the past 58 years, since Israel's inception. If criticising Israel makes someone an anti-semite, then I guess I am an anti-semite and damn proud of it. Those who fall into the trap of calling people who criticise Israel and its government "anti-semites," are falling right into the trap that was created by the very zionist elites who are exploiting tragedies like the Holocaust, using it in a way to stop people from asking serious questions about the never-ending atrocities committed by this hatebreeding terrorist nation. But it all goes way beyond zionism. Even the zionists are tools of people above them, who are merely using zionism and the Rothschild-created state of Israel to carry out an agenda at the expense of innocent Jewish and Arab lives alike, who these people at the top could not care less about. Most orthodox Jews are strongly opposed to a state of Israel because it goes against the teachings of their religion. Zionism is one of the leading contributors to anti-semitism.
What's unfortunate is that most people still actually believe that Israel was created for reasons pertaining to the Jewish religion and its people. It wasn't. Zionism has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Jewish faith. It was a political movement from the very beginning. People need to look at the ones who funded Israel into existence and what their agenda was for its creation. As always, throughout history, the gullible people at the bottom are sold a far different story than what is really the case. The Rothschilds and their zionist minions used the Holocaust, which they were behind (ask yourselves who funded Hitler and the Third Reich), to promote their agenda, to gain world acceptance for this Jewish homeland. The harsh reality is that Israel was created to stir up never-ending chaos in the Middle East and eventually take control over the entire area and its natural resources. Israel is a tool used to insitigate violence against itself, so when attacked this violence is used as justification to wage wars. Because, like I said before, the people at the top could not give a damn less about the common Jew, who they merely see as cannon fodder to be used to further their own diabolical ends. To these people, Israel is nothing more than a staging base in the middle of the oil-rich Middle East. That's EXACTLY what Israel is!
I have a feeling that this will become painfully apparent when the West goes to war against Iran/Syria...
No, that's what they SAY they mean. Funny that you wouldn't believe anything Bush says but you'll take Ahmednejad at his word. Why would someone who hosts holocaust denial conferences and sponsors terrorists groups who publicly state their goal of destroying Israel deserve the benefit of the doubt? Really, so over in the Sudan where 400,000 people have been killed, they just can't compare with Israel which has killed 660 (0.2% of 400,000) Palestinians in 2006, a year which included large scale ground warfare after militants crossed the border to kill and kidnap Israeli soldiers. Israeli is so racist and hate mongering that they demolished their own settlements and handed over Gaza despite huge opposition from their own right wing. They are so racist that Arabs vote and have their own political parties and newspapers? Really, in the sense that it was their fault that other countries invaded them three times? Those chumps who will swallow anti semitism rebranded as anti zionism are truly sad. The jews funded the holocaust. Funny how that one slipped past Shane's anti-semitism detector. Its hilarious how you can memorise so much propaganda without applying even the slightest amount of common sense. How has Israel helped anyone get control of the oil? It hasn't. Israel comes between the west and good relations with the Arab countries that control the oil. Your theory predicts exactly the opposite of reality, yet you cling to it with blind faith. And why was a permanent peace achieved with Egypt and Jordan? How does this fit with the concept of permanent conflict? How does handing over Gaza, the Sinai, and northern Lebanon fit? It doesn't, because anti-semetic conspiracy theories are not designed to fool the best and brightest, they are for the lazy and hateful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXA7GrOcLU Judaism is at its core a racial supremacist religion espousing contempt and hatred for non Jews. It has long predated Zionism and Zionism wouldn’t exist without it. Anti-semitism and anti-zionism are one and the same. The word is overplayed. Its like the 20th century's version of "heretic". Doesnt phase me. Read what the Judaic Talmud says about us goyim.
My DBF and his family appreciate the love you show for their faith. I doubt you know any Jewish people at all. FYI, Christian Soldier(Topolm), JESUS WAS JEWISH! Go ahead, look it up...it's in the Bible. Gonna dispute your holy book?
I'm not Christian. I'm agnostic. Additionally, are you confirming that Jews are an ethnic group rather than a religion??? Pray do tell ;-)
