A Defence for A. Hitler

The Germans did the math. Also Zyclon B can be used to kill a LOT more than a few people at a time, as bullets do. Also, there was the "problem" of people being in back of the group, and only being wounded and escaping. SOME of the camps, as I said were not originally "Death Camps" the idea was to "Concentrate" the undesirables, like Jews, and Gypsies and homosexuals and Poles in places AWAY from Der Fatherland (Germany) to keep Germany "pure." Just these people being there was considered an insult to the Nazis. The camps were made for slave labor, starvation, medical experiements as well as killing. Near the end of the war, the Nazi's panicked and started killing at a record pace.

As for the paper with death counts Warrior posted. How could 52.309, 6.507, 20.501 or 17.842 of a person be killed? HOW, these are not complete war death counts, if I am reading this properly (and my German sucks) these are either daily or HOURLY death counts. NOT TOTAL COUNTS. You can't kill a fraction of a person in a war, but you can if you are giving a single day or single hourly count of an entire long period.

As I said, the Nazis were crazy for precision. Zyclon B was eventually used as it was faster, more effective and cheaper than other methods. Although people were shot, it was not the "prefered" method. Also, when an officer was executed in the Nazi army, he was shot. If he decided to commit suicide (and a lot of them did) he shot himself. It was a "noble death." Bullets were considered "too good" for Jews and other undesirables in large numbers. Talk about fucked up priorities the Nazis had.

 

exactly Maggie.

reason for going with gas chambers for the Final Solution..was because of how quick they could kill all the "undesirables".

They figured that they could gas 12 truckloads a day..that was their plan.

it's quite revolting...people were looked at as merely numbers.65-100 on a truck..12 truckloads a day..65x12...7 days a week...365 days a year.

that's all that mattered.

 

wow...this thread just keeps on truckin

 

It's nice to see an attempt at an open minded discussion on Nazi Germany. It amazes me to see people react so strongly to the constructive act of trying to clarify this chapter of the history.
Whatever the truth, discussion should be open, and free, regardless of your viewpoint.
There is surprisingly little open discussion on this subject online. People seem to be on one extreme side, or the other. The only way to process what happened, and move on, is to allow full on, honest debate...just don't ask me where that might be allowed...

 

LOOK IT'S WARRIOR'S SOCK PUPPET!!!

Let's lynch it!!

 

How would you feel if I said that "Hitler was a Rothschild" (Davy Icke again) and that he was backed not only by some leading American businessmen and politicians, but by a lot of the English Aristocracy and Royals? And that's just the grainy crust of the bullshit smokescreen that is put out to make us think that "yeh, there's some bad stuff going on in the world, but generally, our leaders are out to help us, right?" Wrong.

England went to war because the PEOPLE demanded it, and the aristocracy, having faced a near-revolution (which not many people like to remember anymore, because it isn't taught in our schools) didnt want to fuck with the people at the time, at least not in the way we thought they would.

The U.S. went to war because your leader wanted to support the Jewish cause and get them their own country, although why an overgrown cult would need its own country is beyond me...(by the way, Judaism is one of the most racist and divisive religions on the planet, regarding it's old scriptures)...ooh and because japan attacked Pearl Harbour.

My theory; in short, is this: World War 2 was a convenient letting of "bad blood" and a good population cull; it was a convenient way of distracting the masses from their lives and a good way to get industry going, in all countries. It helped establish many forms of oppression which still exist to this very day and built the foundations for other forms which are in existence today. But the consequences of so many people dying in negative ways is not be underestimated. I believe that the soul/mind energy of people moves on into a different form (energy never dies - a simple phrase Einstein would of nodded to) and that what happened after the War proves this. The baby boom being one source of souls being reborn into this world to carry on with the lessons they should of learnt, if it wasnt for the war. But at this point, lots more young people could get Higher Education, were thinking for themselves and rising out of the working class backround they were born into. They were the masses at Woodstock, Glastonbury, and all other the fucking world who would not take the oppression they could see going on around and above them. It is as if they had an instinctive trigger to rebel against insidious control, and this generation are still alive today, and a lot of them have had children, some of whom will be reading this.

If you really, really want to know my agenda for writing such a provactive and seemingly disgustingly insensitive post, then review my information, take me up on my offer to join my online private library or pm me.

If you already have an idea/knowledge, or feel that you are my superior on this subject and feel patronised by some young upstart, get in contact; I welcome any input to brighten up my own ideas.

 

Maggie Sugar

You know, the most noble, and cheapest way to kill people is a knife in the back of the neck; pointy bit just below where the skull meets the spine, kinda round ear level. It's as painless and quick as a bullet, It leaves no exit wound or mess to hose down in the slaughter houses that we all have heard existed, and that people died in them. This method uses a renewable source of murder, if you like, as i'm sure the nazi's wouldn't be that stupid to make a new knife (of the bones of jewish infants?) everytime they wanted to kill someone.

Oh, and if you want to stop a holocaust, and at the same time prevent the rise of Hitler #2, don't vote in your elections and instead minimise the dependancy you have on your state. Most western countries and their businesses are tied into a state of affairs which is leading to World War 3 whether you like it or not, America being the protagonists. It's so obvious and so simple. Ooh and there ARE genocides going on daily as well, but I'm sure we're all to happy posting our recycled and regurgitated opinions on forums and blogsites to give a fucking shit about any of that
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Hm.. you might get a little more credit from me when your text was actually readable.. what's wrong with plain black text? Or any other color that stands out to the yellow background?

 

they all look pretty readable to me, unless you'd like the braille version if it makes it any easier.
fuckwitarseholeshitfacecocksuckerassbanditandallthingsunholyandlame
email skip to get the option of funking up posts removed if you like, or just get a petition going to get everyone to type in times new roman font 10 no bold no italic except where guidelines permit.
ifthistextcomesupireallydidntmeanitijustwantedtohavealittlelaughpleasedontban
in school i remember teachers making us practice handwriting, and it changed sometimes; it was the teachers making us write how they do, and how they wanted to read our writing. Reasonable?
me
new thread time

Anyway, what yellow background? i can distinctly see purple, although the typing box is yellow, that aint what you're looking at Velvet

 

Okay my fault.. but you gotta agree that your choice of color on a purple-ish background wasn't a great choice eather. I have no problems with other fonts or whatever, as long as it's easy to read.. I just don't really understand why people want to be taken serious while they are using colors that are hard to distinguish from the background.

Ah well.. do whatever you want.. just don't be surprised if people don't respond or sth like that Especially not after your little 'fun' with the 'hidden text'

 

Hitler hated the Jews for many reasons. One of those reasons, and the biggest reason, was because they were the November criminals, that is, they were among those who "undermined" the German effort in World War I in order to hoist themselves into power as the Weimar Republic. Hitler, by himself, without any ethereal force helping him along created his own Nazi party. Sure, Anton Drexler may have founded the German Worker's Party, but Hitler himself was the one who started the Nation Socialist German Worker's party after joining the party in 1919. Hitler was actually sent there by the German Army, in which he was still enlisted at the time, to investigate whether or not the party was of any communist affiliation. After this Drexler left the party. Hitler was backed by this point by a fair number of supporters, most of these being German Armsmen who were angry about their own inability to fight a war, but their scapegoat, with whom they were angry, was the aforementioned november criminals. Had it not been for the depression, I strongly doubt Hitler and his NSDAP would have been in any place to take any seats in the Reichstag, in fact, it's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that it would have been impossible. This, however, is off the topic. Hitler gained power by many political means, but certainly not by electoral means. Basically an aging and senile president combined with the support of industrialists and basically all of the rest of the whining cry babies of the now depression afflicted Germany who wanted someone to blame for their problems (who better than the Jews) combined with new legislation passed by Hitler the Chancellor and the subsequent burning of the Reichstag (German Parliament, basically) is what is to account for the means by which Hitler became "Der Furher". Not some outside universal force playing to, or more aptly creating Hitler's agenda as to solve a problem of future over population of the world by the Jews and to ratiate and "dish-out" Karma points, which is essentially, no, exactly what you're claiming, Freewill. That's fine to live in that fantasy world, but you'll need facts to back that up, which are going to be impossible to come by.

Now, as for the meth thing. There is an historical medical doumentation of Hitler's being issued Meth for his injury in 1918 after
falling victim to a chlorine-gas attack while serving as a messenger on the front lines for "mother Germany". Hitler was, in fact, still in that Munich hospital when he got word of Germany's defeat. Although, Warrior, I assume that if this documentation is presented to you you would say it was "written up by the man to confuse the public". However, even if provided, it can't be proven that he used this throughout his reign as Furher.

My advice to everyone on this board is to simply forget this thread happened and to not waste your time on something such as this. People like Warrior will not take evidence given beyond a reasonable doubt, they will simply cast it off as the "man's fabrication" to demonize the person or people in question and move on. This is only my advice, and if you choose to continue posting you're doing your own self that disservice.

-Jonathan

 

How do you suggest something is impossible to prove? Are you aware that there are such consepts as the occult and esoterica, and you know, there just might be some truth in them.

If ~you~ intend to disregard my offers of info-sharing on this, and intend to close the discussion so rudely as to basically say "i'm right, you're wrong - and you can't prove it any other way" then i suggest YOU leave the discussion.

Sure Hitler was crazy* but you know, i've been crazy. I bet a lot of you have as well, but not everyone is a leader of a country...and not everyone was predicted by Nostradamus to do...kinda what was predicted of him. Now tell me, do you think Hitler read some Nossy in his youth and decided "I'll do that, I'll try and FUCK THE WORLD!"

NO. simple truth of it. Ever seen the film Dune? Or read the book? Let me bring your attention to the legend of Paul Muad'dib. He had no fucking idea some member of his mothers religious order had left a prophecy and a religion to help him. Check it out. I'm not praising Hitler in the slightest, i'm saying he was a sheep just as much as Blair, and possibly Bush have been, and i'm convinced that the atrocities and acts of oppression that have been and are being commited by our leaders, and the ones on the cards for the possible future, far outweigh those commited in Nazi Germany.

A comparitive few killed (if not due to the effects of WAR, not exclusively mindless genocide) or mass mind control? Open warfare or subversive pacification into a docile cattle race, controlled through electronic radiowaves inplanted in our phones pc's stereos cars tv's radios phonemasts!!! (so obvious when you read some articles i may have). So so much and people just close their eyes to it. To deny there is something big going on in the world is bizarre but do you think it's just about a little bit of oil? Money doesn't buy everything, Iraq was a warmup and a poking of the fire of the Apocalypse...as seen by the leader of the Aggressor; a fanatically charged and proud religious ruling elite, the Antichrist from the Book of Revelations; George W. Bush (?) ~thats what the Pope said...

 

O my goodness, shut this thread down!

 

Ask Skip mate, thats where everyone runs when they get too much of a sick taste in their head from whats being fed right?

Poison/Remedy(100%)
I got the poison.
I got the remedy.
I got the pulsating rhytmical remedy.
I got the poison.
I got the remedy.
I got the pulsating rhytmical remedy.
I got the poison.
I got the remedy.
I got the pulsating rhytmical remedy.
I got the poison.
I got the remedy.
I got the poison. I got the poison. I got the poison.
Yeah... Yeah... Yeah...
Yeah... (Boom...) Yeah... (Bah...)

(the prodigy)

 

Freewillfreelove, if you dont beleive in the hippie way of life, and if you beleive that somehow hitler caused the hippie movement you can beleive thoes thigns, but you dont have to opress the people of this forum with your darkminded discriminant points of view, go somewherre where your points of view are accepted by other people who have thoughts like yours.. here most people dont beleive what your saying, we dont LIKE what you saying, were not telling you not to talk, just not in such a way... if you started yelling in a library and the librarian told you to shut the F*** up, it wouldnt be depriving you of your right to speak, just making you change where your thoughts are voiced, something that does good to the people mroe than the person, here their not welcome, and here YOU aren't welcome if your not going to give a semi positive atitude to this forum, I'm not telling you to leave as much as I'm asking you to have decency and respect for thoes around you, as it's been clearly stated earlyer in this forum there are relatives of thoes who were hit by the haulocost, your input was read, we know what your points of view are, and we know you can spend a whole night whithout sleeping, and for that congrats, ( if thats what you came here for) but stop encouraging hate in a place where love is being created... its ruining it for everyone... have a good night, and I hope you can show more respect in person... for your own sake.
M-M

 

and I'm sorry you ahve to endure this Kabbalist, it mustnt be pleasant at all for you, a moderator will soon pick up on this and stop this garbage.. I'll be having positive thoughts for you good night
M-M

 

My message is not pro-Hitler: I did not suggest Hitler was a nice or righteous leader, I suggested that he was a puppet. I did not suggest he willingly promoted the birth of the counter-culture, I suggested he was aware of higher forces and thus might have some personal predictions as to what might follow. I did suggest that he was a piece of a much larger puzzle.

There was no Holocaust? Not my words. I can believe wholeheartedly that millions of innocent people died in the war. I have sympathy for the people that suffered because of other people's cruelty arrogance or narrow mindedness. But who do you blame? Hitler solely, as you could blame Blair/Bush for the countless Afgan, Iraqi, and all those other starving and disease-ridden people scraping the barrel of existence {because there's just gotta be some poor or suffering in the world ). Or do you blame the soldier that fired the gun or pulled the lever of the Chambers, or their superiors, or their superiors...back to Hitler, who, as it has been stated and not disproved, could so possibly have been not as in control as everyone thinks.

What exactly are people getting so upset about? If you can't let go of what happened 50-60 years ago and NOT TAKE THIS PERSONALLY! Then you're more foolish than I am, for sticking my neck out into a Hall of Knives.

Review my past statements. World peace and the Evolution of Mankind are right up there on my agenda/wishlist. Look at the way the world is. We are not wanted to evolve by our superiors, our peers, our parent-states. The system is wired to prevent it, but can so easily be turned the other way. My intention was to utilise my beliefs (which I have Reason to hold) and to get an interesting thread going. I've offered my evidence, I've offered reasonable discussion.

And to be fair, I don't care if you're a Jew or a Gypsie (a little for Gypsies actually they're my kinda people) a Russian a German, American or British as well, or any other ethnicity. Shit happens in war, as Warrior said, lots of numbers were exaggerated, lots of murder was actually by Allied forces bombing the Absolute Shit out of any remainding buildings, and well, we were all involved.

If you don't want War, don't invest your power money and energy (it does exist, you know, in many different forms) into corrupt Money+Power orientated Authority, like, uhm, fuck....

lol

The Revolution Will be a Fad, bought into, subdued, and locked away for ever. And if you don't think we need a drastic worldwide change in how we are all living then look the fuck around, and tell yourself it'll all be better in the morning.

Fitter happier
More productive
Comfortable
Not drinking too much
Regular excersise at the gym (3 days a week)
Getting on better with your associate employee contemporaries
At ease
Eating well (no more microwave dinners and saturated fats)
A patient better driver
A safer car (baby smiling in back seat)
Sleeping well (no bad dreams)
No paranoia
Careful to all animals (no washing spiders down the plughole)
Keep in contact with old friends (enjoy a drink now and then)
Will frequently check credit at (moral) bank (hole the wall)
Favours for favours
Fond but not in love
Charity standing orders
On Sunday ring road supermarket
No killing moths or putting boiling water on the ants
Car wash (also on sundays)
No longer afraid of the dark
Or midday shadows
Nothing so ridiculously teenage and desperate
Nothing so childish
At a better pace
Slower and more calculated
No chance of escape
Now self-employed
Concerned (but powerless)
An empowered and informed member of society (pragmatism not idealism)
Will not cry in public
Less chance of illness
Tyres that grip in the wet (shot of baby strapped in back seat)
A good memory
Still cries at a good film
Still kisses with saliva
No longer empty and frantic
Like a cat
Tied to a stick
That's driven into
Frozen winter shit (the ability to laugh at weakness)
Calm
Fitter, healthier and more productive
A pig
In a cage
On antibiotics

 

Thanks a lot, I'll be having positive thoughts for you too!

 

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... god.. thought this thread died a long time ago.. sheesh.. are we REALLY starting this all over again? I think Skip posted his opinion on 'free speech' versus 'scientific evidence' or something here a while back and I'd like to refer everyone to that. Even if you don't agree with it.. it is HIS forum so just leave if you don't like it.

This seems a neverending discussion.. and it always ends up with bashing ... maybe we should agree to disagree or something.