I wrote here what I had thought, but I see Its just pissing people off not really doing anything else peace all!!!
And what of the soldiers who didn't kill anyone? Just because you're a soldier doesn't mean you've killed anyone. Secondly, where's your compassion? Third, the Iraqi's aren't fighting the Americans as much as they're fighting each other. Fourth, the "freedom fighters" you're wanting to fuck, there out there fighting for YOUR freedom. You have the freedom to call them "fuckers" all you want because of what they have done and do. And you know what? Even knowing that you don't like them, they'll still go out and defend your freedoms. So, I'd recommend that the next time you get a chance, hug a soldier instead of spitting on them. And if you still don't like it, I'll be glad to help you move to Iraq or Afganistan, or hell, any other country for that matter. I hear Iran is nice this time of year. Go over there and spout off. ...sorry about this post... I saw this thread and it kind of set me off.
Soldiers are responsible and they will have to live with their memories and experiences long after the war is over. But we as voting citizens are also responsible for sitting back and allowing outside interests to guide our governments, allowing our children to be used to further a cause that only benefits a few.
So blinkin tell me, when did you get back from Iraq? I mean, you obviously know everything that is going on there so you probably just went here recently, no? You mean, you've never been to Iraq?!? Wow, that was totaly suprizing.
Amen. Blinkin- I've read your exploits for some time now. Remember those people in Texas or whatever who treated you badly? In their mind you are throwing your life away the same way soldiers are throwing other peoples' lives away by taking them. Not saying I disagree with you, I think killing is wrong. But not everyone has your mindset. And if you know anything about the military system, you'd know that in that arena you do what you're told or you are punished by imprisonment or worse, execution. If people didn't volunteer for military service then we'd go back to compulsory military service. In that case, it's kill or be killed for everyone. Gardener is right. It's not the soldier, it's the system and the people who DON'T PARTICIPATE.
soldiers soldiers for all i care people who become a voluntary soldier for some fascist dictatorship and play war with each other can go and blow each others fuckin brains out (well thats what they do dont they ?) its when innocent people are caught in the firing line and the destruction of the land that pisses me right off . i also believe those type of soldiers who are on a power trip (voluntering for a fascist dictatorship )will become the new world orders police force will you still be as supportive then ? . .......on the other hand its tottaly a different sernario with people who are drafted .........at the end of the day individually it comes down to good fighting evil ..................p e a c e
Fuck anybody who thinks spitting on a soldier is justified in any way. If you think people become soldiers to blow innocent people to bits you have a crazy fucked up view on our military. (I think there might be a few who actually want to help protect the freedoms and the people in America) It's not thier fault we elected somebody whose whole platform in 2004 was "STAYING THE COURSE"!! The soldiers HAVE To follow orders they CANNOT just pick up and leave IRAQ when we elect a leader who wants to fight a war we (and they) don't agree with!!!!!!!!!!! This pisses me off....
I don't think anyone signs up for the army thinking "Oh boy I get to kill people now!!!" most people either do as they see it as a way to serve their country or as a way to help pay for college, or because they see it as their best chance for a steady job. Those soldiers also don't get to choose the wars they fight in, and I don't think many of the people who've had to kill someone in battle have felt a better person for doing it, but when people are trying to kill you you really don't care that much if you have to kill them. And perhaps this war might not be the right reasons, but the army has faught for freedom many times before, and not just our own, even back in the 1st Gulf War to liberate Kuwait. And if you go to any democratic country, Canada, Britain, Germany, France, ect, trust me people there will say the same thing that soldiers are protecting their freedom. And remember, your main job as a soldier isn't to kill people, most people in the army aren't even frontline troops, it's to follow orders and do what your supperiors say, and for many that's going into battle.
i agree.. if i were an american signing up for the armed services i'd have absolutely no knowledge about american wars and what goes on in them, if i had been living under a rock that is. people know what they are signing up for, it is a covenent with the devil and they know it, the armed services are there to do one thing - kill people, thats their bag baby and thats pretty much it. in "peacetime" they are half heartedly used for other stuff eg the katrina "beforemath" and aftermath. when they go crazy and start raping,killing and torturing the populace suddenly its all just a mystery why they do this, this is what they do and anyone who thinks its not is just kidding themselves and has never read any form of history. an awful lot of people join up because they want to kill something. for those writing some eloquent rebuttal may i direct you to this .. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3107863#post3107863 i'm in this mood tonight
Many have. They have gone awol and left the military when they found that what they were being ask to do was something they couldn't in good conscience do. When we all begin to follow orders because we think we are supposed to then situations like Nazi Germany can exist. http://www.fluxview.com/AWOL_American_Military.htm We did it during Vietnam and thank god Canada is still offering safe harbor for those that feel this war isn't something they want to take part in.
Thats true, and I have respect for soldiers willing to do that. What I meant was that they can't just pick up and leave legally, that they can get thrown in jail for years if they desert. PFS, I guess I thought saying "this make me want to vomit" was too harsh, it just pisses me off a lot.
Ya, soon as you try to put ANY responsibility on the soldiers there is somebody gonna get pissed. Well, only way there is gonna be no war for US is if the soldiers don't fight. Ya know damn well if we were to have a war land in our laps ya wouldn't NEED too many "real" soldiers, 'cause just about anybody with a gun would do some fightin'. Problem is our greatest enemy is among us and we too scared to try to do anything about it. 'Fraid we might lose. Everybody go to jail for tryin'. Yup, obvious as hell, the war IS in our laps. War against our rights, our freedoms, war on drugs, war on truth, war on honour. Nobody doin' damn thing about it. Where's the soldiers fightin' for OUR stuff? Noplace. Had a dream the other night. People finally got sick of all of it. Soldiers stopped fightin', people shut down government and the police, put the politicians and cops in jail. Just EVERYBODY started resisting. I do mean EVERYBODY. Nothing they could do. Can't control EVERYBODY, hell they couldn't control ANYBODY any more. Common people took over their own lives. Even the idiots who saw it as a good time to pillage and plunder saw the error of their ways once it was pointed out to them (duh) that if they misbehaved, somebody would have to form another thing like a police dept. and we'd be right back to where we sarted, and if they would just be honorable and help each other out, we wouldn't need to go back to all that... The concept is very simple really, but all ya hear is "can't". And alot of excuses. Yea, soldiers responsible. We all responsible, 'less we boycott the whole damn mess.
