how do i stop panic disorder?

If you had to change it to your needs then how did what they say really work. From what I read it has only work for about 4000-8000 people. That is nothing when you consider everything as a whole, and those numbers come from the people selling this stuff. You made it work for you by changing it to fit your needs.

 

I don't know about how it's worked for people as a majority, but it sure seems to be the best way i've found so far.

 

People wonder why I have to make seemingly dogmatic unflexible posts and yours explains why.
God forbid anyone append a condition or give some opening for side issues to be discussed or else its jumped on as if I just conceded.

Look, you dismissed the technique based on some 'appeal to authority(majority) and the only thing I did was point out some nuances and finer parts of the technique I had to finesse myself.
This I mentioned is not all bad and a good argument could be made that Barry or Linden are even more effective leaving that to the participant too.

No, I did not make it work by changing it and the worst thing to say about this technique is that a few people promoting it havent articulated it precisely.
(maybe they shouldnt)

But what exactly is your 'science based' research bringing anyways?
People who are doing the worst thing possible in that they are focusing on, accomodating and living for the panic 'attack'.
People who are, at best learning to 'live with it' and just hope they can keep going to years and years of therapy to keep it at bay?

Really, when you look at the most succesful techniques (and I hope you are going to cite this) its when people are exposing themselves to the phobia.
More and more until it loses power.
Well.. how far from deliberately inducing panic attacks is that really?
Not far at all.
If anything all this is doing is taking it into a 'crash course' version.

btw.. I really do not focus any of this technique to being 'Barrys' technique or Lindens.
Giving Linden credit he does make it clear its not 'his technique' or try and 'trademark' it either.
Its something you will either discover or you may very well just come across it by 'luck and flaw' from trying anything.
It may well be your psychologist.
Its not 'Barrys' or Lindens even though they have produced courses which include it.

 

ElProximo you said "when you look at the most succesful techniques... its when people are exposing themselves to the phobia."

For most people the phobia is not the panic attack itself the panic attack is cause by anxiety of a fearful situation or idea. I don't know if you reall read my post o if you just enjoy ignoring what others have to say. But I stated that dealing with the issues that cause the anxiety and fear and the best way to eliminate panic attack.

My advise to you is to open your eyes and consider posibilities and not get blinded by snake oil sales men.

 

Look into CRBT.

 

Spooner

Do you mean the idea "crying really big tear"?

 

cognitive therapy with a qualified psychologist.

 

I hear there are drugs that in unison are helpful.. I heard Klonopin or xanax and and SSRI in combination is effective. I am trying to get my doctor to put me on Klonopin for social anxiety. I am on Welbutrin with is an anti depressent with anxiety relieving properties. See a psychiatrist, and if you hate the guy then get a new one right away. Good luck.

 

Damn i still haven't thrown down the xanax. I have started taking 5-HTP and have noticed supricing results in mood lift.

 

A friend of mine had been taking 5-HTP in a search to reduce his anger problems (along with Panic Disorder, Depression, Anxiety etc)
Anyways,
He insists that this has really mellowed him out.
He says that it seems like it reached some point where he only has to take smaller servings of 5HTP now to top off 'whatever levels' it seems to work on.

I noticed someone up there was suggesting people work on 'whats causing the anxiety in the first place'.
Ok.
But if you are just talking about Panic Disorder then about 90% of the anxiety is fear of the panic.
The other 10% is pretty self explanatory - looking for a way out of the situation, emergency adrenal etc.
This is why panic attacks happen in enclosed places where you are surrounded. i.e. a line at the supermarket or bank (with railings or some sort of enclosed line) traffic lights and the like.

But most of the fear is about having the panic attack.
In other words there is no point in sitting someone down, asking why they fear supermarket lines and then trying to delve into some 'traumatic experience' that might have involved a childhood shopping trauma etc.

Dont know if I explained that well enough but basically the 'fear' is the fear of having the panic attack.
The 'sensations' during panic are often dramatic and dump adrenalin and people believe they will pass out, go crazy or throw up etc.
So they fear the panic attack.

 

Shenanigans.

 

oh ya why?

 

The main symptoms of PTSD are anxiety and/or panic attacks and recurrent flash backs or nightmares.

 

PTSD, Panic Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder, Generalised Anxiety Disorder.
If you really want to get down to it they are all the same thing.
PSTD might have been sparked by an identifiable trauma (ie attempted murder etc) but even there it is only leading to the same 'disorder' as someone who got there by years of divorce, custody battles or perhaps a year of work and school and other stressors.
Panic Disorder is not really anything more than 'the extreme end' of anxiety and worry.
There are a couple of others I would put in here: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and 'Derealisation/Depersonalisation'.
Hang on.
These are unique unto themselves but the point here is that you never find OCD existing without Anxiety Disorder along with it.
Likewise, you never find DP/R by itself but rather high anxiety is there too.
Adding to this: 'Agrophobia' is not something 'unique' in that you could have it but not the others.
Agrophobia is really just the extreme response to panic and anxiety disorder.
Nobody has the former without the latter so to speak.

but yeah, PSTD simply is/becomes 'Anxiety Disorder' and if you have enough anxiety it just becomes 'Panic Disorder' at the high end.

There is a reason I know this all too well and its not just because any good shrink will tell you but because I did in fact have 'PTSD'.
The only problem is that this is neither 'here nor there' when it comes to correcting it.
In other words they dont have a 'class' for me and then another for someone with GAD,
then another for 'Social Anxiety'
or then another system for 'Acute Anxiety' etc etc.
Its all the same thing, same techniques, same path, same situation.

This brings me back to what I was saying before: I did not resolve the panic attack aspects by 'dealing with my fire issue', or by reliving the fires or by a therapist talking me through fire scenarios.
I realise many of us think that based on popular media or perhaps outdated textbooks etc.
I probably would have figured that was the case too before finding out that is not effective or important.

Panic and Anxiety is (im going to say 90%) the fear and anxiety of having a panic or anxiety attack.
It really is.
Anyone who has this situation, if they truly and sincerely consider that for long enough will eventualy realise that is the case.
What about the 10% which is otherwise?
Thats normal.
It only seems like the 10% of normal expected 'stress' is overwhelming and pushing you over the edge because you are already at '90' before even getting into the stressor in the first place.

Hope that helps?

 

ya a symptom of PTSD is anxiety but PTSD is not anxiety. There are lots of symptoms are associated with PTSD.

 

I dont know who told you that but nope.
Sorry.
It appears you dont even have the concepts in order.

'PTSD' is anxiety.
Panic Disorder is anxiety.
It will help you to read my previous post again.

 

Physical exercise, psychoanalysis, meditation, engaging in competitive sports, a functional lifestyle, and medication are all palliatives that should be taken advantage of.


But the real solution to the problem is to will that which you're trying to avoid.

 

Im not a big fan of the medication part even though I can see where there might be a time and place to use them as a tool to get to your next very insightful and oh-so correct conclusion:

It may very well be the most terrifying and difficult thing we will ever do but it will work.
It might even take months to take baby steps and even get to a point to start but.... you can eventually 'will' that which you're trying to avoid.

In fact one of the most difficult places you must start is to simply ask yourself this one important question:
What will happen when you no longer have anxiety, panic disorder, depression (etc)?
What will that mean for you?
What will you do?
How will things be different and what will happen?
Believe it or not these questions will reveal an enormous amount about yourself and prepare you to 'will what you are trying to avoid'.

Id like to borrow that line if you dont mind heh, I like it that much.

 

Be my guest...lol.

 

I finally broke down and got back on some meds, just paxil but got the tremors so am stopping. I also was clenching my teeth and cracked my molar, so still no meds for me.