cannabis legalisation in the uk, please SIGN!

Also, there's also that age old (if not clichéd) fact of the number of deaths caused directly from Cannabis: None. Now, the number of deaths caused by Organised Crime via Cannabis...Well, I wouldn't like to say, to be honest. If Cannabis was legal it would do more good than harm.

 

Wow, you should come to the US and join the government's War on People-they need folks like you...

 

I like debating with you Matthews, you always put up a good fight.

We can bring up facts that contradict other facts till we're blue in the face, I got my facts from the D.E.A.

Drug Enforcement Admininstration

I can go fetch other sites that back up the fact of THC harming the immune system.

But my main argument for not legalising marijuana is not for health reasons anyway, I've grown up around literally hundreds of people that abuse it and then get no where in life because they're too lazy to bother and would rather lounge around eating "munchies". My main argument is that we'd have more jobless folk than ever before by a significant number. Those abusers are actually ruining your efforts of getting this thing passed.

I take on board the member of this forum that you speak of being successful despite smoking the weed, but come on... he/she is a rarety, you know that more often than not weed smokers and unemployment go hand in hand. There was also the member on page 2 of this thread (Sentient) that gave an enlightening portrayal of Amsterdam and it's laws. He said that the natives wished that law was never passed, and we here would feel exactly the same within the first year of it being passed.

PS - I do read your posts, because you actually get me thinking.

 

What I'm trying to say is that people are different, and there are a variety of people who're drug users, and the fact that most don't succeed is irrelevent. Drug abuse is in the context of the persons character, and is a flaw in thier own characteristics. To blame the drug for the mishaps is like blaming McDonald's for getting you drunk. If you're strong willed you'll pull through, regardless of being pot smoker. Of course, you can debate this for years to come, but this is my opinion. I actually agree that it's a rarity to see successful drug users, but at university they come in the load. My own drug use does not, in any way, affect my grades. I'm on a road to success and I'm working hard to do so.

I find your view slightly offensive, but that's due to my own arrogance of not wanting to be pigeonholed with the actual degenerates of drug abuse.

And actually, you could blame drug abuse to be the catalyst of poverty and is a far more deeper and political cause.

Oh, and just to clarify, Cannabis is actually illegal in Holland. It's just highly tolerated in Amsterdam.

 

I don't see the fact that most don't succeed as irrelevant, I think it's extremely relevant, but I'm just a realist. I can see into the future and that particular future doesn't look very promising at all. Seeing as smoking marijuana slows reactions and prevents an individual from learning properly, I'd say that it is to blame.

I'm not pigeonholing you in particular, you've told me that you're on a road to success and I'm working hard to do so and I believe you and respect you immensely for that. You're one of the few.

Oh ok, I'm not too aware of the legality of it in Holland, I just know that the coffee shops sell it as they would cigarettes. But Sentient has painted the picture of a place that offers easily accessible and cheap marijuana, and it wasn't a pretty picture.

 

I can totally see your point, and in some ways I agree. However, I certainly don't agree with the fact that people will become lazy if it was legalised. It can effect people in many different ways, just like alcohol. And believe me, I would much rather a lazy country than one full of wife beaters, and people going out on the town for a fight.

And in all honesty, Britain has MUCH greater concerns than the legality of Cannabis. I think that's something everyone can agree on.

 

You're right, it can effect people in many different ways, it actually makes some violent. But there are those that are mature enough to know how to handle it and use it responsibly and in moderation also, and those are the ones that I don't really have a problem with.

Agreed, but I still say that it'd be bad for the country if it were legalised. It's way down on the list of agendas, but still needs the correct decision made on it.

 

Wow, Matthews, this is the first time I agree with anything you say! Congratulations, you now have a little bit of my respect! But like I said, I agree with you, man. I'd sign it if I was British, because like you, i'd rather see a bunch of stoned British people than drunk ones, and we know what they're like...just kidding.

 

I may not be liked by many people on this forum, but I can hold a good debate and bring intelligent inputs into it. If you want to win a debate, you need the respect of your opponent, and you must respect them likewise. I may not agree with Anaconda's views, but I respect him as a person.

I may seem a twat, but once you get to know me, I'm alright.:tongue:

 

I am more concerned with the idea that the person who created this thread is not in posession of the facts. They say they want cannabis legalised like in Holland. But its not legal over there - it is decriminalised which is not at all the same thing.
I would not anyway support a model based on Dutch experience
I think it would be best to decriminalise it not legalise it and to have much tighter control than the dutch put in to their laws over who is allowed to produce and consume - where they are allowed to do that and in what quantity. I believe its production and consuption should be limited to licenced places. Crime will rise just outside the areas where the cafe's are unless its controlled properly.
Holland is no longer that proud of the laws on cannabis and they will soon be looked at again. In Holland they tollerate it - they do not condone it.
decriminalised rather than legalised

 

well around 30 people signed since i created this thread, its almost 1200 signatures now, everyone on these forums should sign, that would be thousands of signatures

 

I was abit blasé about signing it, to be honest.

 

man i was talking about it with friends today, if we got 10k signatures they would have to go for it :S

 

hey mr green man have you seen ? still pondering to sign it coz no ones answered me as to the questions i ask in my first post .

 

No they wouldn't. Are you 12?

 

You are completely delusional.

 

the prices would probably stay the same, like 10£ for 1.5 grams, the quality will be guaranteed, so yea you would get your moneys worth, and you probably will be able to see the nugs

but this is predicted, it could be different

 

no, but if i was twelve would it make any difference?

 

hmm that has"nt told me much to make me sign (predictions are just that predictions ) still not convinced but thanks anyway .

 

you would be able to grow you own tho, dont know whether u realised that