Finding a reliable research chemical supplier

Because of the recent controversy about not posting supplier links or names here, and several PMs looking for advice on how to find a reliable source for research chemicals, I decided to put this post together to address the problem of obtaining chemicals for research use, while maintaining a low profile, and not contributing to either the DEA's jihad OR the fast-buck artists who seek to cash in on the RC market.

The first step to purchasing what you want would be to enter its FULL CHEMICAL NAME into a search engine, and see what comes back. Then eliminate any suppliers with company names that include terms like "high" "buzz" or "trips" right off the bat. Other terms to avoid would be "legal", "shaman", "rave", or anything else that is too reminiscent of the drug culture. You are buying RESEARCH CHEMICALS, not drugs, after all.

Next, click on the link, and have a look at the site. If you see flashing skull .gifs, lots of "l33t sp33k", or any references to illegal drugs at all, you probably want to go elsewhere. The sites you want will look like a CHEMICAL CATALOG, not a promo site for a garage band! Misspellings or other typos all over the site (especially chemical names) should raise suspicions, as well.

Next, have a look at the supplier's product offerings. If their product list consists SOLELY of compounds with well-known recreational uses, go elsewhere. Sites like this are increasingly under surveillance, and exist only to cash in on the rising interest in these compounds. If they also offer traditional "headshop" products, or stuff like pocket scales, tiny baggies and empty gelcaps, run away!

What you want is a supplier of a broad range of chemicals, including various substituted tryptamines and phenethylamines. A company that offers custom organic synthesis or has a hotline to put you in touch with a staff chemist to help with your research or production questions is a good sign. Run a WHOIS check on the site, and be on the lookout for site ownership that traces to Virginia or the DC area (FedLand). Look at their payment options, with an eye towards things like accepting company checks or corporate purchase orders. Look for a VALID postal address (check it). While you will most likely be paying via credit card, the fact that they accept "traditional" payment methods adds legitimacy. Be wary of sites that insist on PayPal or Western Union, as this SCREAMS "scam site".

When placing an order, DO NOT make any reference to "dosage", "effects", PIHKAL/TIHKAL, or any other indication that you are planning on doing anything illegal with your purchase. Request a Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for everything you order. A legit seller will know exactly what these are, and will gladly include them (as required by law). Including a couple of cheap, boring laboratory reagents in your order helps you look like something OTHER than a person looking to score drugs.

Legit chem dealers will NOT ship to a PO box, so you will need a valid address. And make sure the credit card you use is in YOUR NAME.

That's about all I can tell you about ordering chemicals. Common sense goes a LONG way here. If something feels "sketchy" about a supplier, it probably is! Finally, once you find a good supplier, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF! Spreading the name around to people who might not be as careful or responsible as you are is a good way to ruin a good source for everybody. And plastering it all over drug-related BB sites will tip off the LEOs faster than anything. Sites like this one are being watched, people!

For more information on how to buy suspicious chemicals while "flying below radar", I recommend the book "Sources" by "Strike", and "The Construction and Operation of Clandestine Drug Laboratories" by "Jack B. Nimble", as well as the following pages:

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/buychem.igor.html

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/eleusis/zwit.chembuy.html

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/popeye/popeye.zwit.txt

These sites primarily deal with purchases of precursor chemicals for manufacturing illegal drugs, but there is a lot of wisdom in there which applies to purchasing ANYTHING of a "grey area" nature.

 

If I pm the name of a supplier to someone, I hope they will be careful and responsible when ordering. I wasted a few dollars before I found 3 good suppliers. I'd hate to see someone else not be careful when they order from them.

I think sites like overgrow and the shroomery are being watched just a tad bit more closely than this one, too.



I would advise people not to abuse suppliers of whom I refer you to in pm's.

 

Very sound advice.

 

Legit sites usually will have a disclaimer. That is not a sure sign, but it's up to you to take the gamble. Also just ask any RC user here to verify autencity.

 

I'm very sorry but could someone please tell me how would we be contributing to the dea's jihad and what is their jihad?

 

I swear, I just think 5-MEO-DMT makes an excellent drain cleaner

 

Excellent info Ellis, thanks for that.

 

By either publicizing suppliers doing business in a responsible, low profile manner (helping make them a target for busts), or falling victim to any of the various law-enforcement scams, sting operations, or front companies.

The "War on Drugs".

 

Good info. Didn't even think to search for the actual chemical name. I don't know much about labwork or chemistry, so what kind of boring reagents would be most low-key?

I'm looking into a few companies right now, but if anyone would be kind enough to PM me with info on a company that still has good prices on 2c-xyz, it would me much appreciated!

 

Basically, anything that is commonly used in a lab, isn't on any watch lists, and isn't useful as a drug in it's own right (like diethyl ether would be).

Solvents like isopropanol, hexane, or dichloromethane are useful for extracting interesting compounds from plants, and will raise no suspicions. The same would go for common acids/bases like hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, or sodium hydroxide.

A look through a high school or freshman college chemistry textbook would give you an idea of what types of compounds are commonly used for innocent science experiments.

 

good job ellis, very useful info every1 can use

 

well, the rc supplier that i used to use to obtain certain materials for laboratory use has been shut down, and i am finding it rather difficult to find an appropriate replacement. so as was stated above, if anybody does have an rc house that they could pm me, it would be greatly appreciated, thank you.
-christopher

 

What about customs? Would it be unwise to look overseas?

 

depends on if you're ordering a gram or a kilogram, maybe...

 

i jus want some more 2cE to experiment with. your thread is very helpful but even with all that, a lot of LEGIT suppliers are not even listed in search engines. i know of one over-seas site right now that should be legit, but they also sell aMT and TMA 2 which makes me wonder how wise it would be to give them my name? ya know if anybody can PM me a link to a RELIABLE SUPPLIER WITHIN THE U.S. i would really appritiate it.

 

I'm assuming any on-line suppliers operating in the U.S. right now are either scams or just bad news.

But if anyone has any good recent experience with an overseas supplier, please PM me. I'm especially looking for a new source for methylone, preferably at less than $250/gm....

I'm willing to share what overseas source experience I have (which is some) for any leads on methylone.

 

Would someone please PM me a name of a supplier. i only know of one so far and would like to compare prices or perhaps find a wider variety of chemicals. If anyone else wants to know the supplier i know of pm me and ill let you know. thanks.

 

I hope nobody actually pm's these 1 and 2-post users with a legit supplier, or anyone for that matter. I'm sure the DEA is scrambling to stomp out the last few suppliers that they might have missed.

 

In the U.S. maybe. They have no direct authority over overseas sources and action against them would almost surely be more difficult than is politically worth it for these chemicals. I personally have no intent on purchasing anything from a U.S. based supplier, that would be stupid.

I'm no LEO, but I know nobody has any reason to believe me. So [shrug].

 

can someone PM me a RC supplier thats not based in the u.s. thanks