Time/Aliens

Discussion in 'The Future' started by NightRose, Nov 1, 2006.

  1. NightRose

    NightRose idiosynractic rose

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    I have a theory that Aliens are in fact a more evolved human, they say we evolved from apes, so what if we are still evolving? Aliens could have discovered time travel and are coming back from theit time to check up on our evolution progress. What do you think? I believe that it is possible.
     
  2. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    it's a big universe out there. it strikes me as absurd in the extreme for ourselves to be in any litteral tangable sense a model for all tangably organic lifeforms that creative sentience might occupy.

    i do believe WE may be at a critical juncture in the evolution of our species, one that would quite naturaly draw the scientific curiousity of other creative sentients, to see if and how we 'make it'.

    those which have gone beyond where we are now in our stage of development.
    no temporal tampering required (though possibly a useful tecnology for overcomming the 'light barrier', supposing, as our current science expects, but cannot yet test, that there even actualy is any more of a 'barrier' at light speed then there proved to be with sound. yes i know about the numbers that say that as speed approaches that of light, mass approaches infinitiy and thus it would take infinity plus force to accelerate beyond that. there are a couple of conceptual hedges to that conclusion, others may be found that actualy work. without them, the only way people evolved on different worlds could ever hope to visit each other's worlds and confirm their existence would be either 'generation ships' or some form of 'stasis' such as cryogenic suspension)

    but i can and do conceive of the possibility of these problems having been solved and overcome by some worlds somewhere. that is of course what it would take to go a star roving. and indeed a bit beyond where WE are now.

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  3. ethanberry

    ethanberry Member

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    If we really expand our minds, then everything is possible.
     
  4. rak

    rak Senior Member

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    well what aliens are there?
     
  5. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    boulions and boulions! on every world life evolves it fallows its own course, so that everyone born of a species indiginous to one world, is completely alien to everyone born of every and any other world.

    the big howler of media's shoddy immitation of real science fiction is people from so many different worlds walking arround breathing the same atmosphere.

    now not every solar system neccessarily has even one world that can support much in the way of life, but there's just so many zillions of them out there, that it's just increadibly absurd ego to immagine our world could be that totaly unique among all of them.

    the other minor little detail, which is why we don't have contact, er that is supposing that we don't secretly, with other worlds, is the distances involved.

    at the speed of light it would take you ten years each way to get to the nearest likely candidates. this is not beyond the realm of what might be eventualy doable. provided we could put togather something out there that would be able to have and take with it a self perpetuating ecology to keep us alive that long.

    but there ARE a good 20 candidates within 20 lights too.

    and of course there's always the possibility that people on other worlds, those people who don't look anything like us nor like anything anyone from each other's worlds are likely to immagine untill they get to know each other, may have already solved these extreme but not insurmountable challanges.

    it's not even improbable that some fraction of the worlds out there HAVE star exploring civilizations.

    so if and when we DO get out there, it WON'T be earth inventing the galactic u.n. more like earth joining an existing extablished forum as slightly backward hick new kids on the block.

    and dollars to zingwapts, there IS some sort of galactic united 'nations' out there, waiting for us to grow up.

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  6. freakon

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    wake up. there are so many different types of aliens out there, coming from different places. guess what: part of us is alien, part is from earth, why do african so look different from asians etc..... its not only about the sun. we have different ancestors, not only on earth. that is not insane, that is the most logical explanation of the so big variations between esquimo, scandinavian, indian.....etc. BUT, the point is not to get hung up by race, but by PURPOSE. race is a reminder of the past (u look like this because your ancestors evolved in a certain way and ended up looking like you)
    but purpose, the direction of your life your willpower, THAT IS THE FUTURE, no matter what the genes.....
     
  7. bbbeccaaa

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    If we know that we've evolved from apes, these aliens would know that they evolved from us. There would be absolutely no point for them to come back and 'check on us'. If they wanted to make sure we were doing everything properly in our evolution pattern or something, don't you think that them coming to see us would mess the pattern up?
     
  8. PsyGrunge

    PsyGrunge Full Fractal Force

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    Nobody can really say aliens exist, but then again nobody can say they can't exist either.
    I am a firm believer though, it is only human ignorance that depicts Earth as the only planet with life inhabiting it.
     
  9. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The theory has been around for some time now but it seems to have a fundamental flaw. the laws of physics simply forbid the time traveler from traveling back before the time machine was built.

    For instance If the time machine was built 100 years ago, you couldn't go back in time 101 years ago.

    You could go as far ahead in time as you'd like, but a smart advanced future society might just prevent you from going too far ahead in time by re-writing the fundamental laws and altering the cosmological constant [​IMG]



    Hotwater
     
  10. NightRose

    NightRose idiosynractic rose

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    But like my theory yours is another theory too. No one has any proof that time travel is possible or isnt possible as of yet. I think my theory may make some sence, think about it, do we know that we have stopped evolving? No. Do we know that there are extra terrestrials out there? No, but there are still alot of conspiricies and theories to support the possibility. I am a strong believer in the theory of humans evolving from pre-historic apes, who's to say we have stopped evolving..Only time will tell.
     
  11. PsyGrunge

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    The theory will not make Earthly sense, as it goes against the rules of Science which apply to this planet.
     
  12. mbworkrelated

    mbworkrelated Banned

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    hahahahahahahaha
     
  13. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I suppose if it were possible to travel ahead in time, we might just encounter a race of humans who have evolved beyond our definition of human. but would they still be human?

    Say for instance a race of humans who have evolved beyond the need for physicality.


    Hotwater
     
  14. gib_0101

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    That sounds like a Terence McKenna sorta' theory.
     
  15. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    well if what you're saying or meaning to say is that those reported encounters with the greys, that sort of thing, are actualy with our own further down the road selves, or something we in time come to make; well that IS, as you point out, just as possible as anything else.

    but if you're trying to posit an 'all human', as in EARTH human, universe out there, then you really have no idea how big and diverse a place our little grain of sand blowing arround it's campfire, our 'sun', is out there surrounded by really is.

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  16. chawk866

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    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we are the most intelligent beings in the universe...

    However, I could be totally wrong as well, whatever.

    There are 500 billion estimated galaxies in the universe. Holy shit, yes that's a lot. Our universe is 13.7 billion years old and homo sapiens have been on the Earth for between 100,000 and 200,000 years somewhere in there scientists are not exactly sure. Only in the last 100 years have we had any significant technology increases. Only in the last 50 years have we actually explored space by sending people to the moon, using satellites, etc. Now take 50 years out of 13.7 billion years...
    50/
    13700000000.

    That's a small fraction of that time frame that we've had technology. For someone during this same small time frame to have technology like ours or much better is almost hard to fathom. I do believe that there have been many intelligent beings in the past but I believe right now we're it.
     
  17. NightRose

    NightRose idiosynractic rose

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    Yes themnax, I did mean the greys. thanks
     
  18. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    there is NOTHING but our collective ego as a species to suggest our being anything of the sort. no reason to assume we are even at all above whatever average for sentient species there might be.

    no reason to assume others haven't had a considerable head start on us ether, just as there are likely to be younger 'cousins' as well as older.

    no, if and when we do come in contact with the rest of the intergalactic communtiy, we'll just be the new hick kids on the block and have to learn the ropes just like any other new kids on any block anywhere.

    the greys may not be aliens but our own future selves, or some product of our own future selves, yet this has NOTHING whatso ever to do, with the all but infinite diversity of whatever else actualy IS, out THERE!

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  19. mbworkrelated

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    I hope to a higher power than myself, you are correct themnax. If chawk866 is correct, the universe is pretty much screwed.
     
  20. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    i would suggest stepping outside of ourselves for a moment.

    does the rest of the universe look screwed?
    or is it just what our own little species is doing on our own one little dustball?

    sure looks like the latter to me.

    and stepping back inside oursleves once again, i see no reason to assume, we can't at some point get over even that too, unless we've already screwed the web of life that made us possible on this only world WE've truely got.

    in which case, others, elsewhere, will continue to get along just as fine as the already are, completely unawair of our existing or ever having done so.

    =^^=
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