Did Holocaust Really Happen?

peace? concessions?


at what price?

what lessons have we learned from the holocaust?

give me your children: http://www.datasync.com/~davidg59/rumkowsk.html

fight or die

the jews in germany
the palestinians in palestine
the arawaks and caribs of the "new world"

learn from history or repeat it.

 

This is incoherent.

If Israel is a genocidal imperialist state, why did they leave Lebanon? Why did they sign a peace deal and leave the Sinai to Egypt? Why did they hand over Gaza? Why are they negotiating a final status for the west bank?

All of this contradicts your facile, jew hating, apocalyptic theories.

Israel is not occupied land, the world is not coming to an end, everyone is not fighting to the death. Sorry the world isn't as simple as you want it to be.

 

I'm incoherent?

When in this thread did i mention hating the jews or anything about an apocalypse?

The world will last for a while longer and i'm visiting a synagogue this weekend...

The State of Israel is not synonymous with the jewish people.

regardless of what the zionists and the religious right would have you believe.

 

And neither was florida...

didnt say once in this thread that it was coming to and end, regarding fighting to death i suppose all the dead people and the past and current conflicts are my imagination. never existed?

didn't say it was.
not simple at all, just hard and brutal.

 

It was 21 years ago this week that Paul Castellano was assinated in front of
Sparks Steak House, NYC.
It was a very clear, direct. coherent message sent by Gottti and the boys
of The Bergin Hunt & Fish Club.

Unlike the bullshit going down in Terhan at that conference.

 

hahaha are you kidding me? I don't support the US doing any of that either, and im an outspoken critic of any war the US engages in. I don't like Israel bombing people, I don't like the US bombing people, I don't like Palestinians blowing people up...I don't like any of that.

 

whoa, you dont know AHH very well then...

 

I have too and the person that had the tatoos also had photos given to them of when some of the guards were hung and shot by the British for being such assholes
they executed them with no trial because it was just a gut brute reaction to the horrors they saw - and they know what the figures were but actually counted lower so 6 million is the very least figure it could have been - they were actually generous and quoted the lowest possible

 

Skimming through this it seems nobody is quite discussing the Holocaust.

It has been a recent interest of mine, and I have looked up the specific facts that are getting "deniers" riled up. Allow me to present the exact information that the "historical revisionists" are debating (paraphrased, of course)

-Pictures of corpses:
Undeniable proof of death in camps. However it is claimed by revisionists that these corpses are from disease like typhus and lack of food (due to Allied bombing raids on Third Reich supply trains).

-Gas Chambers:
Revisionists see the chambers as de-lousing facilities used to kill lice and ticks and actually prevent disease. Hair was cut to stop the spread of lice. Chambers doused clothes in Zyklon B, and even left chemical residue that is detectable to this day.
Exterminationists see the chambers as murder facilities, where victims had their hair cut before entering the chamber in a clever deception to fool them into thinking it was a shower. Afterword the cut hair was to be used in mattresses for the German people. Why the Germans would even touch the hair of a people they considered sub-human is beyond me.
Certain studies (I cannot link in quick reply) have shown more residue in the de-lousing chambers than the accused extermination chambers. This would mean they used more zyklon b to clean clothes than they used to kill people. Either they didn't kill as many as claimed, or they de-loused a SHITLOAD of clothes for no reason.

Also, the gas chambers are placed next to troop barracks and commandant's offices. Is that really a cruely efficient way to run a death camp, have the death chamber, which is constantly flooded with poison, right next to the headmaster's office?

-Body Disposal:
Treblinka. According to maps, some 870,000 people were buried here, with the burial pits no more than 20 feet away from the camp's water well.
The Holocaust is said to be unique because of the efficient mass-murder that worked like clock work. Would the Germans have put the bodies of thousands, HUNDREDS of thousands, of stinking gas infested corpses in the dirt where it would certainly contaminate the water supply used by the Germans themselves? Seriously check out a map of Treblinka and even listen to survivor stories.

okay I feel like I've typed too much already...but I'd honestly like to see an actual debate going that doesn't end up talking about Palestine...

I'll say right here that I am in the center...I think some nasty shit certainly happened, but after seeing what I've seen I cannot say with conviction that 6 million were murdered intentionally. Now I'm not saying the camps were fucking roses either, so don't start calling me a Nazi. Chill down your emotions and look with a scientific eye.
There's plenty more I can discuss. Search for this movie on google "One Third Of The Holocaust" theres also a site debunking it which I have not fully researched yet so I don't even remember the link but search for that too its there.

As for the worst crime in history, right of the bat I'd say the Native American genocide tops that. Have you ever met a Native American? I haven't. I've meet plenty of Jewish people.

peace

 

I believe a lot of Jews were killed during WW II.
So were millions of Slav's, Gypsies, Russians and many others.
6 million Jews? I don't know how many.
The Zionists in what is now Isreal were regarded as terrorists before the UN unilaterally licked all non-Jews out of Isreal, where the non-Jews (although the same race as the Jews, just a different religion) out pg thier homeland where they had roots that went back thousands of years, often without compensation of any kind.
The pre-Isreal Zionists conducted bombings and other acts of terrorism during the 40's (and before). They currently hold thousands of Palistinians in Isreali prisons, under conditions that have been protested by every human-rights org
They forced non-Jews to live ion the desert until squalid condiotions, and continue to make excursions into those areas and kill whoever they feel like, whenever they feel lile it.
Isreal has violated far more UN resolutions than any other country.
When other countries talk of "wiping Isreal off the map" they are NOT talking about killing anyone. They want the rascist Zionist country wiped off the map so anyone can live there, not just the Jews.

 

rangerdanger, you're an anti-semite!

 

what ? you mean the scientific eye of a nazi ? Like you border on being?
Or do you mean a scientific eye that actually takes into account there is no greater scientific eye than the eyes that witnessed their fellow 6 or 10 million men and women and children being killed - do us all a favour and admit you actually dont give a shit ! just so long as you can alter some aspect of that history that benifits something youre tryin to say

I actually know what you mean here - but if you could just reword it better it would be of benifit to the discussion. I could support you but I know that youre trying to educate people about a very complex situation and I personally think you should clarify it slightly. just put it into better chronological order and simpler

 

Sentient,

See, look how emotional you're getting.

You're jumping around throwing a tantrum like a three-year old., no offense.

I was only giving the opinions of the revisionists so that you know what they think....you know, that's the point of the thread.

I never took sides.

Christ.

"the scientific eye of a Nazi? Like you border on being?"

ooohhhhh burn. you got me. good one.
take that to jerry springer.

i have no ties to anybody, just displaying information. I live in the fucking suberbs; I'm no skinhead fascist. but go ahead and throw mud at me if you're too scared to look into what is being said by the people you bash (without even knowing what they're saying, now who's a nazi?)

ps my best friend is part jewish

 

very Interesting points you raise. One should definitely take a scientific rather than an ideological stance on the "alleged" Holocaust.

 

Its all the rage these days among leftists.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9926

 

a load of bullshit right wing propoganda
you cant alter the fact that just because a wolf dresses in sheeps clothing they are no less harmful.

Why dont you stop this bullshit pretence at being left wing or admit you need to go read what being a leftwinger is - one way or another the last 3 posters are either misguided or uncertain of what they believe

But spouting right wing shit in the name of the leftwing is nothing more than idiocy

You wouldnt know what scientific methodology was if it had a neon sign 500 ft tall telling you what it was -

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb4_NeY-8iU&mode=related&search=

Heres a video which can be found on youtube by searching 'holocaust denial'. This is part 1 of a 4hour long video. It doesnt cover all the camps just 3 of them.

I dont like the guy that made this and think he is only showing what he wants to show, but he does make me think about somethings though.....carbon monoxide from a diesel engine?

 

Have you ever considered that spouting vague left-wing propaganda is equally annoying and incorrect?

 

Hello,

I don't adhere to political "wings."
Propoganda is everywhere, like Fox News...but not CNN, right?
If you want to discuss propoganda, how about The Soviet's original find of 4 million dead at Auschwitz, which has now been reduced to 1.5 million, yet the total death toal is still touted at 6 million? I think that needs to be explained.

moving on for now,

I'm not sure what you mean by this. There are many hateful websites using nasty words like "kike" or whatever that I do not like. I think it's possible that they are put up to discredit the sites made by people with an honest questioning of taught history. I use my own conscience as a gauge, for instance, I prefer OpposingDigits.com to websites that are hateful like KKK sites.
Don't be afraid of websites, they're just words and pictures. Read and think and investigate. I picture whoever you are to be at your computer placing everything into simple, black/white left/right catagories, and then doing what the left says cuz theyre the left.
If you truly are liberal, you will listen to all and inquire and investigate and think, not catagorize and criticize.

I never claimed any wing. I would actually like you to tell me what you think left and right wing is.
I haven't posted on here in a while but this subject interested me...you should look up my posts if you want to know my politics.
I'd go into detail on the presented talking points if you would address them, instead of sweeping them aside.

peace

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You're right; that's a fucking tall-ass sign! Even the words "Scientific Methodology is" would stretch for blocks. You couldn't read it either unless you're in a helicopter.
But nice job using humor to divert attention from your factless response.

just curious, are you out of high school yet?


ps: I applaud you for bringing this thread back to life in the first place, lets all try and learn something here

and props to ripple for at least thinking and considering