Had routine circumcision been in place-48% reduction in STD's

Yeah, I mean, I'm using the word "mutilate" provocatively, but it still seems like a pointless endeavour. You've got circumcision and abstenance movements all over America, and I don't get it: why is it so hard to just teach your kids about hygeine and condoms? Why are you willing to go to such extreme measures rather than take a very small amount of time and effort to teach your kids a little responsibility?

I'll tell you why: because teaching abstenance and circumcision are a lot easier. They're quickfix solutions that require no effort on the part of the parents to provide guidance. If you can't be bothered to teach your kids about STDs, just give them the snip and then it doesn't matter, right?! If you don't want to have to teach them the facts of life, encourage them to be abstenant, and POOF! the problem solves itself.

 

unmentioned complications related to circumcision:

blotched circ.s thus leading to amputation. VERY COMMON IN FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES.. to varying degrees. Look up " a boy named it" biography of a boy raised as a girl after a botched circ. (he later committed suicide)

MORE COMMON: urethral erosion. urine eroding the urethral meatus of the newly exposed glands (which are as tender as the surface of your eye)...

I've assisted with circumcision procedures and they ARE VERY PAINFUL, the infant is NOT anesthetized, he may be given some sugar water (thought to induce endorphin release after a massive amount of pain triggers... but why?)

Adults that get circ'd. can have good pain management, and give consent.

Smegma is antibacterial. Normal and is the way the body cleanses itself.

It's spelled balanopostitis, and it's very rare in human males.

My son is NOT circ.d and he has a pinhole phimosis, which is very common and may take up to 12 years to loosen from the glans... all VERY NORMAL.

The kiddo had to go to the pediatric doctor for a well child check, and the fucking quack forced back his foreskin without permission!

If my son has any complications from adhesions caused by this ripping, I'm suing the quack.

good site with regards to pediatric recommendations for non-circ.

www.nocirc.org

 

Hell, it's your flesh and blood, right? If you think someone should take off the tip of his God-given dick, than go for it.

Freedom of choice, no?

 

my sons done and if i have 20 more i will do the same..

 

I have the right beucase i am his mother.. I choose to do this for him to help him later in life. Its not horrible when i believe i have done the right thing for him. Also the percentages on deformity of the penis are extremely rare!

 

Male circumcision is completely different from what is generally known
as "Female genital mutilation". Male circumcision is a wholly
beneficial process which enhances sexual sensation, improves hygiene
and comfort etc, while FGM involves removing the clitoris with the
objective of destroying the womans sexual sensation in a disgusting,
chauvinistic and outrageous attempt to discourage female promiscuity in
what are usually primitive-thinking,male dominated societies. It is
ridiculous to compare the two and only the rabid anti-circumcision
activists would attempt to do so in yet another vain attempt to
underpin their idiotic message.

"Mutilation" carries not only the meaning of cutting something off but also of depriving an individual of something. Several surgical alterations of the female genitalia (all of which go under the name of "circumcision") certainly qualify as mutilation. Others don't. In fact removing the hood of the clitoris, not the clitoris itself, is supposed to increase sensitivity and so wouldn't be mutilation under this definition (unless of course it has other adverse effects that curtail normal functions).


Male circumcision does not alter normal functions. In fact, some say the lack of a foreskin actually enhances sensation. Indeed circumcision is even prescribed for some medical conditions in order to facilitate proper function. The circumcised male, therefore, is not deprived of any thing and thus is not mutilated

 

lol , "enhances sexual sensation" , yea i am sure- if you cut off the rest of his penis , it will enhance his sexual sensation even more!. chop chop chop!!
and its very comfortable to not have natural lubrication that protects and heals the head of the penis. yep yep.

wow, but from what I have heard is this "circumsicion enchances female sexual sensations", it "directs" the society toward less children therefore helping reduce the "effects" of overpopulation in this world. I am telling you, go chop it off, its good for you and for society.

Yes yes, it is ridiculous when it helps the society so much right?

I know and male ciscumcision does not deprive the lad of anything important.. yea except something like his foreskin that gives him alot of pleasure in sexual encounters but thats okay, it is really not that important compared to a clitoris, which is all so important.

lol, do you think they chop the entire clitoris off or just the "hood"?

LOL , I really wish if there is a next life for you, you will be born a male , who is not circumsicized , but later in life forced to circumsicized, that way you will see the difference for yourself.

 

As it happens JEDI i have spoken to many of men who got it done later in life and wondered WHY they waited so long.. They had said the differences was soooooo AMAZING, the sensations where sooooo much better with their glands exposed.

If your sooo negetive about this subject maybe u have some insecurties about yourself mi dear!!!


All of your posts seem to be nothing but your opionin and if u want an unbiased argument, your opions DONT MATTER.. My father got done later in life, thought iwas the best thing hed ever done. My hubby is done, he loves his cut penis, I have friends who wish to be done, and their kids done too.... My sister didn't get her son done beucase she dind't think she needed tooo. 1 year later he needed it done for medical reasons.. do u think a 1 year old remembers pain more than a newborn...Your damn right he does...I know a man who have sex for the first time and ripped their forskin!!

Now quit your anti crap and look @ the evidence how it is beneficial

 

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LOL , to avoid diseases what one needs to do is stop having unsafe sex. If you can't have that , stop having sex, period.

Second, I don't give a damn about your "other" evidence... all the men you talked about, you didn't even take a second look at what i have presented. Fine, you want unbiased information... why don't I present to you something from a very unbiased Medical website:

Circumcision Information for Parents http://www.medem.com/search/article_display.cfm?path=n:&mstr=/ZZZJZMEMH4C.html&soc=AAP&srch_typ=NAV_SERCH​

Circumcision is a surgical procedure in which the skin covering the end of the penis is removed. Circumcision is usually performed by a doctor in the first few days of life. An infant must be stable and healthy to safely be circumcised.


Scientific studies show some medical benefits of circumcision. However, these benefits are not sufficient for the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) to recommend that all infant boys be circumcised. Parents may want their sons circumcised for religious, social and cultural reasons. Since circumcision is not essential to a child’s health, parents should choose what is best for their child by looking at the benefits and risks.

Many parents choose to have their sons circumcised because "all the other men in the family were circumcised" or because they do not want their sons to feel "different." Others feel that circumcision is unnecessary and choose not to have it done. Some groups, such as followers of the Jewish and Islamic faiths, practice circumcision for religious and cultural reasons. Since circumcision may be more risky if done later in life, parents may want to decide before or soon after their son is born if they want their son circumcised.

As noted above, research studies suggest that there may be some medical benefits to circumcision. These include the following:

• A lower risk of urinary tract infections (UTIs). A circumcised infant boy has about a 1 in 1,000 chance of developing a UTI in the first year of life; an uncircumcised infant boy has about a 1 in 100 chance of developing a UTI in the first year of life.
• A lower risk of getting cancer of the penis. However, this type of cancer is very rare in both circumcised and uncircumcised males.
• A slightly lower risk of getting sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including HIV, the AIDS virus.
• Prevention of foreskin infections.
• Prevention of phimosis, a condition in uncircumcised males that makes foreskin retraction impossible.
• Easier genital hygiene.

Just as there are reasons parents may choose circumcision, they are reasons why parents may choose NOT to have their son circumcised:

• Possible risks. As with any surgery, circumcision has some risks. Complications from circumcision are rare and usually minor. They may include bleeding, infection, cutting the foreskin too short or too long, and improper healing.
• The belief that the foreskin is necessary to protect the tip of the penis. When removed, the tip of the penis may become irritated and cause the opening of the penis to become too small. Rarely, this can cause urination problems that may need to be surgically corrected.
• Some people believe that circumcision makes the tip of the penis less sensitive, causing a decrease in sexual pleasure later in life. This has not been proven by any medical or psychological study.

Almost all uncircumcised boys can be taught proper hygiene that can lower their chances of getting infections, cancer of the penis, and sexually transmitted diseases.

 

YOur "high sensations" = Bull shit

this stuff is from the better health channel website

Some reasons not to choose circumcision
There are also good reasons why parents choose not to have their sons circumcised, such as:
Wanting to avoid surgery that is not essential and carries some risk of complications, even though these are small.
Concern that removing the foreskin may reduce sensitivity of the tip of the penis and, therefore, reduce sexual pleasure later in life.
Wanting to avoid the pain of circumcision that can occur at the time of the operation and for some time after.


LOL

 

:sabres:

 

I think it's a little sad that this debate stems from bogus research.

 

lol, if I have insecurities, what do you have- you are so positive about cutting out foreskins off of people, you must have some kinky fetish feelings, toots.

 

Is there anyone here who was cut as an adult, or at least after they had sex at least once, all this talk about how it effects pleasure one way or the other makes me want to hear a 1st hand experience.

 

That a good idea you should start another thread for it. This one is getting a little bogged down. I would like to hear some first hand experience as well.

 

Being cut looks better, smells better, and is safer for both you and your partner. Some people like the uncut look, washing gets rid of the smell, and condoms prevent STDs. So either way, cut or uncut, is OK - it is a matter of personal preference, for all except those with foreskins that cannot retract - I would strongly recommend circumcision for these guys, and you can get a loose circumcision, like I have, which preserves most of the foreskin.

 

In britain and the rest of europe the majority of people are uncut , if circumcision stopped stds you would think we would have much higher levels of stds than north america .

I dont think there is any reason to have circumcision in the vast majority of cases , I dont mind people having circumcision as adults, but I dont think people should do it to children as its something they cant reverse and they might not be happy about it , and its just pointless unless the kid has a problem.

its a bit like chopping the edge of your kids ears off in case some of them get edge of ear cancer , its a pointless operation in most cases , when I looked at the subject a few years ago I found that no medical association supports routine child circumcision and this makes sense as its done mostly from habit not from medical need .

 

no offence jonny2mad. but i understand how u dont agree with circumcision however it is a proven medical fact about circ being a preventative measure for std's... This also takes into account all the other preventative measure (condoms, abstinence)! Sometimes the condom breaks =people get pregnant. If that is true than they can get an std or even in fact AIDS. By parents getting their children done they are preventing this from happening even if all saftey precautions are taken into account. However, NOTHING IS 100%.. that includes condoms!!!

 

And it is proven than women who have traditional african "circumsisions" have fewer STDs than those that don't. So, what part of your child are you going to cut off?

(How do people feel about propholactic apendecotmies or masectomies?)

(Yes, I am aware that my spelling is atroshous.)