Bush admits real motive for mid-east wars: Oil and Israel!!!

I counter with this:

What civilian use is antrax put to may I ask you?

One of the legimate uses for chlorine?

 

I've already addressed these points in posts #21 & #22.
Here shortly the Big 5 will essentially own the Iraqi oil fields, no need to buy...

Do have any comments regarding PSAs?

 

I don't think Pepik understands PSAs I've brought that issue up to him before too, and he just skirts the issue.

He also doesn't seem to be aware that the main fact we didn't take out Sadaam in the first Gulf War, was because papa Bush was afraid of destablizing the area, which is exactly what has happened with this war.

The fact that PSAs will be held above the law scares the sh*t out of me.

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/weekly_2003/oil_corporations_iraq_immunity.html

 

You think Iraq at its peak couldn't produce simple chemicals like chlorine or pesticides?

Anthrax is not a substance created in top secret biological weapons laboratories. It is naturally occurring, found in the soil globally, and in developing countries farm animals are often infected with it. Veterinary labs use anthrax samples to help develop vaccines for cattle. Back in the 1980s, mailing anthrax samples was not unusual - Iraq was able to get samples from the US and from the Pasteur Institute in France (This is the point where you suddenly change your views, and say something like "Why shouldn't they allow their merchants of war to sell goods, everyone else in the free world was doing it", like you said when you realised France was selling conventional weapons). The difficult part of building an anthrax weapon is not getting anthrax samples, it is weaponising it, which is extremely complicated, but which Iraq apparently managed to do by itself.

I wonder if you are having a laugh at my expense. Are you serious? Try water purification, disinfectants, bleach, to make paper, antiseptics, food production, insecticides, paints, plastics, medicines, textiles, solvents.... in fact after the Gulf war UN sanction which restricted chlorine imports were considered "genocidal". So, guilty for allowing chlorine imports, and then guilty for not. That's why they are called dual-use imports.

YOU never proved MY assumption? I don't even know what that means.

Yes, they are. But they are needed to prevent crops getting ravaged by pests. They have important uses.

The sources I gave already accounted for that. Don't demand that I provide sources if you are going to ignore them. And besides, a French fighter or a Russian tank are not American technology. It is starting to look like the possibility that anyone other than the US could be guilty of anthing is just more than you can handle.

Well, no you never really adressed it actually. No PSAs have been signed. So we're only talking about the hypothetical possibility that a hypothetically bad PSA would be signed, which may meet your standard of evidence that America controls Iraq's oil, but not mine. "Essentially owned" is a load of crap. They do not own the oil under a PSA. Ask foreign oil companies who invested in Russia or Venezuela how strong a PSA is - it isn't worth the paper its written on. Its worth the word of the government in power, which in the case of Russia and Venezuela is not much. Even "no need to buy" is a load of crap - you don't sign a PSA in return for nothing - they can involve billions of dollars of investment by the world's leading oil engineering firms.

That's funny, you're the one that refused to explain it in your own words.

Well you can relax then, because your link doesn't say anything like that. First of all, an Iraqi PSA would be governed by Iraqi law. Secondly, how can a legal agreement be above the law? That is nonsensical. Finally, your link refers to the coalition provisional authority. Emphasis on provisional. It no longer exists.

 

Christ I cant believe some people have even got the nerve to argue against the truth still.

Amerika is run by an extreme right wing cesspool of a club.
No different at all to Hitler and the like.

The only difference is that Hitler +_ Goebels could only dream of the international media and financial demon that grew in Amerika , after Amerika deliberately saw to it that Europe smashed itself to pieces in WW2.

I cant believe that people ( is that the right word?) can have the nerve to justify genocide of Arab people.

Still you know the saying - what goes around comes around.
China , Russia , the EU , the ASEAN bloc , Latin America , Arabia - Amerika youve made real enemies around the world , and the so called "New World Order" will soon find challengers from a "newer " one...

 

And another thing that amazes me is the crap written in the papers that its really Iraqis wanting a civil war whilst Amerika is raping , pillaging and exterminating.

The fact is that Iraqis are being kidnapped , sent to Abu Graib and being programmed to blow each other up in markets and mosques.
This means Amerika can leave ( because ofcourse it cant win) and can say "ahh the place was full of terrorist maniacs - so were better off out and not bothering to fight).

Oh u reckon my claim is far fetched?
Now tell me , who set up and trained Al Qaeda ,the Manchurian Candidates , Lee Harvey Oswald and the like in the first place?

Check out the pages in your CIA books on "black ops"
Then find out what "black black ops are".

 

Jeeze it's like talking to the wind. You demand proof from the rest of us, but all you have to do is restate your warped views.

 

I've given up as it has become clear both through reading the response to others' posts as well as my own experience that this user is not to be reasoned with. He demands proof, shoots it down when presented; presumes his own POV to be unimpeachable and insults anyone who dares to differ with him. There is a (four) *edit- FIVE* letter word for such a character: TROLL

 

lol

You didn't read any of the info provided, did you?

Crude Designs: The Rip-Off of Iraq’s Oil Wealth - UN Security ...

Answers every question that you just posed.

Summary:

 

Crude Designs: The Rip-Off of Iraq’s Oil Wealth - UN Security ...

The rest:

 

???

 

I lost count LOL!!!

 

Oil for Sale: Iraq Study Group Recommends Privatization

By Antonia Juhasz, AlterNet. Posted December 7, 2006.

http://www.alternet.org/story/45190/

Click here to read the rest of the article

 

Operation Iraqi Liberation, isn't that what it was all about?

 

So Shane, still too shy to speak for yourself?

I enjoyed you link. Giant, screaming headline that Iraq study group recommends privatisation, then you read the article and it says they don't recommend privatisation. That's Alternet for you. Not that this matters - the Iraq Study Group can't tell Bush what to do, let alone tell the Iraqi government what to do.

 

Not to mention controlling the World & Other resources...and certain personal hatred complex transfered from Grand father to Father..to Junior. hahaha.. And the believe to be the Messenger of Holly God. hahahaha

Long Struggle...How much is already spent any how...Could have built a New continent from scratch in the sea with all that spent money..How stupid..
Could reduce the hunger problem in the world by half...How very stupid..Could made lifes of many Americans happier...strange how psychoo people manage to rule big countries.. Most probably they are just Marionette in hands of more powefull more greedy people and more crazy people...

 

Hahahahaaha

Now most of the world is trying to protect itslf againset the idea of one super power..which is a joke by it self, that ended quickly.

Countries used to be threaten by Nuclear attack inter-continentaly, are now preparing them selves for unclar attack/retaliate from within the same or near by reigion...e.g. Russia & China.

Euorpe being treated as Second class Power...will never forget that.

Countries under American threat..know that saying OK to american usually un-justified demands is the same like saying No...once you are a target..you remain a target..Iraq is an example of that.

The whole world is trying to protect itself from mad governments in America, this is what that joke of Anti-Terror has produced...Spreading a Global terror.

Many many nations have more than justified reason to hate America.

Seocnd lesson maybe: We are in a middle of Mass destruction Period...Terrorizing complete nations or continent using regular army. Another Victory for the very Right winged groups who are supose to govern most of the world nations in the soon future if we do not pay enough attention !


Hell..the picture looks very Dark. Indeed.

 

MSNBC.COM:

Iraq struggles to finish oil law

 

why do people see 'oil' and immediatly say ''this is what it is all about''.


Ignoring:

These ministers and officials have pointed to the instability of current oil sources - the Middle East, Caspian region and Algeria - and the need for secure alternatives. Iraq has the second biggest known oil reserves in the world.


Mr Straw told ambassadors that, following a review he ordered last year, the Foreign Office drew up a list of seven medium to long-term strategic priorities, including "to bolster the security of British and global energy supplies".

A Foreign Office source said: "I can't say that energy is irrelevant (to the Iraq conflict) but the issue is one we would have to deal with even if Saddam was a cuddly individual."

The Foreign Office insists that the main motivation in the confrontation is fear that Iraq has, or intends to develop, biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. Mr Straw put the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and terrorism at the top of his list of priorities. The others are:

· To minimise threats to the UK such as uncontrolled migration, transnational crime and Islamic extremism;

· To maintain a stable international system based on the UN, the rule of law and multilateral cooperation;

· To promote UK economic interests in an open and expanding global economy;

· To promote democracy, good governance and development, citing as an example involvement of the G7 developed countries in helping Africa; · To build a strong EU in a secure neighbourhood.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0,11538,869868,00.html

What does everybody think the second world war was all about ?.

 

maybe you just worded this wrong, but are you giving reasons to support the idea that oil is a main priority for being over there or dismissing that idea?