cigarette butts

Discussion in 'The Environment' started by Komokwa, Oct 26, 2006.

  1. J0hn

    J0hn Phantom

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    Someone should put giant ashtrays in the street. I know places near Acton Town have chewing gum boards attached to lamp posts so you can spit out your gum and stick on board and not on floor.


    For ciggerettes are just so easy to toss away. Perhaps a 300 pound fine should be imposed and for the united states, a 500$ figure per butt.
     
  2. Night_Owl49

    Night_Owl49 Since 2006

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    I am guilty of throwing my butts out of my car, but only because when my car was stolen they took the ashtray.
     
  3. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    the biggie in Colorado is a mountain skyline that is also a recently retired license plate design emblazoned "use your ash tray ashhole."
     
  4. kidsmoke

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    I smoke American Spirits. Cotton filter, totally biodegradable... and delicious. I feel like my flank is covered.
     
  5. dd3stp233

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    I think there use to be more public ashtrays. All the public trashcans(at least near the beach, soca west coast) had ashtray tops. With the increased unacceptance of smoking more and more public ashtrays are disappearing faster then people quit smoking.
     
  6. Komokwa

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    Well actually the computer I am using mostly does environment work. I have stored in here databases for amount of water pollution and crab, shrimp and salmon poulations and also lots of information on environmetal impacts of things such as urban development and logging on rivers and streams. So what i am trying to say is that computers have a much more positive effect on the world and how we work with protecting the environment then cigarettes.

    and the main difference with computers and cigarette butts is that most people do not throw computers on the street when they are done with them in fact almost all old computers that i know of get recycled and used by other people or other computers.

    also we will get no where as far as improving our negative impacts on the environment if we go with the hypocrisy name calling attitude. In fact that is one of the main problems with raising awareness with environmental issues is that no one does anything because they see other people polluting and destroying the environment so they feel thier efforts are useless.
     
  7. peaceloveandshrooms

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    My only thought on this subject is... if you throw a cigarette butt in the trash can, it just ends up in a landfill anyway. It is still going to end up polluting the ground and water. So does throwing it in the bin actually help?
     
  8. hummblebee

    hummblebee hipstertist.

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    When I'm at gatherings and such I always pick up butts and stick 'em in my back pockets. It provides an "ass cushion" for when I'm sitting on overturned 5 gallon buckets.

    I agree that it's a problem, but I don't see the majority of people giving a shit. I've come to accept the fact that most people don't usually give a damn about anyone but themselves, and usually a few select people they are very close to. And along the same lines, most people lack the foresight to understand how much what we do today will effect their grandchildren down the line.

    Probably the only was to realistically combat the problem would be to try and pass legislation to force biodegradable filters as a requirement. Even this won't make that much difference. (I love how ppl who smoke Spirits always act holier-than-thou because the smoke "natural" tobacco with "biodegradable" filters - it's not as if that cotton will degrade next week - it still takes time. And the chemicals are still there, just with a different set of rules.

    Damn I am glad I got over smoking. I'm glad I can look at it logically now. :)
     
  9. kidsmoke

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    Yes, the Spirit does make me "holier than thou." And it's cotton, it's not causing any harm. Don't be silly. As if no other organic product contains chemicals. They all do.
     
  10. J0hn

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    Tried American Spirit. The yellow pack and then the blue pack and they are worse than Camel. Biodegradable after a few years like any other butt. I think they should have ashtrays for the outside.
     
  11. MikeE

    MikeE Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    My left front pocket is my outside ashtray (after the cigarette is out).

    The production of the cotton for filters, like almost all cotton production, involves heavy duty environmental degredation. The environmental threat is more at that end than on the this.

    Which brings up an interesting point; cigarette butts that are thrown in the trash go to the landfill. Properly constructed landfills do not allow water or air to mix with the garbage, hence little or no rotting a.k.a. composting a.k.a. bio-degrading. So is throwing a butt into the trash better than leaving it on the ground?
     
  12. dd3stp233

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    I am curious to know what chemicals, you are talking about, the ones from the filter or the ones from the tobbacco leaves? If from the leaves, several species of tobbacco grow native in the area near me and many other species grow naturally in much of North and South America. The amount of leaf material left in cigarette butts is very minor comapred to how much is out there naturally occurring in the enviroment.
     
  13. stoney

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    right on sister!!! i do smoke, but i always pocket the but, tailermade or rollie
     
  14. Columbo

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    The problem with throwing cigarretes on the ground is that when mixed with water a cigarette - the nicotine - produces a chemical that is outlawed worldwide. People used to get cigarrette ends leave them in a bucket outside filled with water and use it as a weedkiller. Problem is it was one of the most poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals known
    to mankind - that is why they are a problem
     
  15. dd3stp233

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    I don't disagree about the problem of littering but there are 66 known plants that contain nicotine and related compounds. Nicotine occurs endogenously in low amounts in some common foodcrops, like tomatoes, eggplant, potatoes and sweet peppers. I don't think that the amount of nicotine added to the enviroment by cigarette butts is anywhere near the amount added by naturally growing native plants. Like one large naturally growing tobbaco plant would be equal to probably thousands of cigarette butts. Also I'm not sure what other chemical you are talking about, cause nicotine and water doesn't form something different, its still just nicotine, and actually quite a few organic farmers use it as a pesticide because it is natural. Nicotine is actually pretty far from being either the most poisonous or carcinogenic. There are poisons hundreds of times stronger and chemicals millions of times more carcinogenic.
     
  16. drumminmama

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    it's an old pesticide recipie, Columbo. Not herbacide.
    and it comes from the days before a bunch of chemical adulteration of tobacco in cigs.
    It does work, and soaking nicotania (a garden variety of tobacco) takes a LONG time to make a reasonable bug killer.
     
  17. dirtydog

    dirtydog Banned

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    Hey Smoker!
    Your lungs are an ashtray!
    Now, I don't mind hard drugs. (If it weren't for hard drugs, all these airheads would live to be adults.)
    But you don't even get a decent buzz off tobacco, so what's the point? Even Phillip Morris Company is trying to get people to quit, if you believe some of their ads (which I don't).
     
  18. Conservationist

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    How about we make cigarette filters out of cotton, again, so that they break down more easily?
     
  19. fountains of nay

    fountains of nay Planet Nayhem!

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    Putting them in the bin would be a fire hazard.

    Easy solution... smoke rollies
     
  20. trekker

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    I like the taste of filterless cigareettes more that any filter cigarette. That's what I would smoke if it wasn't so risky.
     

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