Political Correctness = Cultural Marxism

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That's a good question... Who were the original natives of the Americas...

 

You make great points. But there have always been taboo subjects one could not mention. The only difference I see today are things may be a little more severe as far as restrictions of speech due to being politically correct. This way of speech is nothing new, it just has a new term, pc, making it more obvious. After all, anything with a label draws more attention.

Just keep talking normally, thats what I do, and I never worry what people will think and people just get used to it or leave > they are forced to do one or the other. if you are natural in your speech at the beginning, it is so much easier than changing who you are and being PC. Being politically correct is harder to maintain in the long run if its not really you (likely is not) and the punishment for deviating (after all we are human and mistake prone) from being that fake persona is heavier with more time than if you had simply said "screw PC" at the start. Plus, by taking that "screw PC" mentality, the people who desire it, the minorities, whoever they may be, MAY STILL find something redeeming about you in the long run, so don't back down!

I was reading about Buddhism and reincarnation as well shortly after reading this topic and it struck me while reading about Buddhism: this is akin to social marxism - not that there is an actual term called social marxism.

But, tidbit from paper I wrote:
"What they are co-insides with what they produce..how they produce...what they produce...The nature of the individuals depends on the material conditions determining their production (Brien)”. Although Marx does not seem to believe in reincarnation, his ideas that past experience dictates future production are certainly similar to the concept. In other words, “summary deposit of past activities..(Brien, 21)” His ideas on socio-economics is certainly akin to reincarnation, in that the past dictates what you will be. Buddhism just goes beyond the one life view.

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nice post ;-)

 

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Is life and social justice just to be determined by production. Why must life be regulated by result and profit? Why aren't elements such as love and concern just as important?

Simply put because they can't be manipulated or quantified by outside interests. What are the most important facets of your life? Those that can be regulated or those that only you and those you hold dear understand and value. Why do we let our lifes be ruled by those that don't understand them?

 

No. Life should not be determined by production. Dialectical materialism ie. Monopoly Capitalism and Communism, sought to define humankind simply as soulless animals that can be programmed at will to serve the interests of the financial elite. Materialsi run amok ignores humankind's inherent hunfer for spirituality, community, family etc. The prevailing order must be brought down.

 

I liked the quote in bold btw, had to quote it today when talking to a friend.

 

have you heard of the feminised "herstory" instead of "history"? Bogus! booogus! This is going to far! waaay to far.

edit:
"Conservatives often view many politically correct terms as being linguistic cover for an evasion of personal responsibility, for instance when "juvenile delinquents" became "children at risk" or when "illegal aliens" became "undocumented workers."

might find this interesting:

San Diego, California (Updated November 29, 2005) Misguided Criminals, Intrinsic Aptitude, and Thought Shower top the list of the most egregious examples of politically correct language found in 2005 by the Global Language Monitor in its annual global survey. This year's list includes words from the US, UK, France and Australia.
"2005 was the year we saw the Political Correctness movement become a truly global phenomenon," said Paul JJ Payack, President of The GlobalLanguage Monitor (GLM). "The list is but one more example of the insertion of politics into every facet of modern life."

The year has been rife with examples that have been nominated by the GLM's Language Police, volunteer language observers from the world over.

The Top Politically inCorrect Words and Phrases for 2005:

1. Misguided Criminals for Terrorist: The BBC attempts to strip away all emotion by using what it considers neutral descriptions when describing those who carried out the bombings in the London Tubes. The rub: the professedintent of these misguided criminals was to kill, without warning, as many innocents as possible (which is the common definition for the term, terrorist). The phrase was selected by GLM as but one example in line with the published BBC Editorial Guidelines where it is noted that the word 'terrorist' itself can be a barrier rather than aid to understanding. Suggested alternatives include: bomber, attacker, insurgent and militant, among others. These and similar words are deemed to have no emotional or value judgments. However, the word Terrorist can be used as long as it appears in a quoted attribution. [To see one example used by John Simpson, BBC World Affairs Editor, Click Here.]
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2. Intrinsic Aptitude (or lack thereof) was a suggestion by LawrenceSummers, the president of Harvard, on why women might be underrepresented in engineering and science. He was nearly fired for his speculation.
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3. Thought Shower or Word Shower substituting for brainstorm so as not to offend those with brain disorders such as epilepsy.
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4. Scum or "la racaille" for French citizens of Moslem and North African descent inhabiting the projects ringing FrenchCities. France's Interior Minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, used this most Politically inCorrect (and reprehensible) label to describe the young rioters (and by extension all the inhabitants of the Cites).
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5. Out of the Mainstream when used to describe theideology of any political opponent: At one time slavery was in the mainstream, thinking the sun orbited the earth was in the mainstream, having your blood sucked out by leeches was in the mainstream. What's so great about being in the mainstream?
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6. Deferred Success as a euphemism for the word fail. The Professional Association of Teachers in the UK considered a proposal to replace any notion of failure withdeferred success in order to bolster students self-esteem.
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7. Womyn for Women to distance the word from man. This in spite of the fact that the term man in the original Indo-European is gender neutral (as have been its successors for some 5,000 years).
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8. C.E. for A.D.: Is the current year A.D. 2005 or 2005 C.E.? There is a movement to strip A.D. (Latin for "In the Year of the Lord") from the year designation used in the West since the 5th century and replace it with the supposedly moreneutral Common Era (though the zero reference year for the beginning of the Common Era remains the year of Christ's birth).
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9. "God Rest Ye Merry Persons" for "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen": A Christmas, eh, Holiday, carol with 500 years of history isnot enough to sway the Anglican Church at Cardiff Cathedral (Wales) from changing the original lyrics. There are those who suggest going one step further: "Higher Power Rest Ye Merry Persons".
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10. Banning the word Mate: the Department ofParliamentary Services in Canberra issued a general warning to its security staff banning the use of the word 'mate' in dealings t with both members of Parliament and the public. What next? banning 'no worries' so as not to offend the worried, or banning 'Down Under' So as not to offend those of us who live in the "Up Over".
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HolidayBonus: Happy Holidays or Season's Greetings for Christmas (which in some UK schools now label Wintervale). However, the word holiday is derived directly from Holy Day, and in the word X-Mas, the Greek letter 'chi' represented by the Roman X actually stands for the first two letters of the name Christ.) Now there are published reports of organization banning the traditional Christmas Colours of red and green.
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Last year the Top Politically Incorrect words were: Los Angeles Countys insistence of covering over with labels any computer networking protocols that mention master/slave jargon. Following closelywere same-sex marriage for marriage and waitron for waiter of waitress.


Australia bans the word 'mate'
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GLM'S Language Police suggest these others: 'No Worries', 'Down Under', 'Barbie', etc.
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San Diego, Calif. August 24, 2005. Last week, the Department of Parliamentary Services in Canberra, issued a general warning to its security staff banning the use of the word 'mate' in any dealings they might have with both members of the Parliament and the public. Almost immediately, Australian Prime Minister John Howard called the ban "absurd" while the Opposition labeled it "un-Australian". The ban has since been rescinded.
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In direct response, the Global Language Monitor polled its readers (and enquired of its Language Police) to come up with further suggestions of slang words and informal language that might serve the public interest by being banned in Australia. Earlier today, as a service to the international linguistic 'mateship' or community, GLM released its List.

"We believe that if the Department of Parliamentary Services had a list of "Further Slang terms and Colloquialisms fit to be Avoided, Shunned, or Otherwise Banned," these are the words that would populate such a List," said Paul JJ Payack, President and the WordMan for the Global Language Monitor. "To make the List, words had to be innocuous in themselves, but in the context of Political Correctness, potentially offensive to some segment of the populace".
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Recently, the BBC's use of the term 'misguided criminals' and 'bombers' when referring to the perpetrators of the recent London blasts stirred an international debate on politically correct language. The BBC used those words to replace the term 'terrorist', which according to the BBC can "carry emotional or value judgments".
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GLM's List is an ongoing compilation; currently the list of words to be potentially banned with associated commentary follows:
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Barbeque -- The shortened form, barbie, can be an invidious reference to the Barbie doll, and hence sexist.
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    Abso-bloody-lutely -- Though the term bloody can signify an intensive, this use could also heighten insensitivity to the plight of farm animals that animal rights activists have long warned against.​
  
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  Down Under -- Down Under signifies the existence of an Up Over, which obviously is in the superior position of Uppness. Might be taken as ignoring the very real consequences of the North/South global division.​
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    G'day -- G'day is the shortened form of 'Good Day'. Some etymologists believe that good can be ultimately traced to an earlier word for God. Hence, G'day could represent a conspiracy to insinuate the theistic world view into everyday life. ​
  
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  Mate -- From classmates at male boarding schools. Obviously sexist, also elitist.​
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  Nappy -- Diaper, might offend those who illegally download music to their hard drives, and narcoleptics.​
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  No Worries -- This is offensive to those with OCD, and others who are plagued by constant self-doubt and apprehension.​
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  Plonk -- Inexpensive wine (in the US it's called ripple). Plonk is perhaps a contraction of vin blanc; this might offend francophones.​
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  Ta -- Thank you. In the spirit International Harmony, the French s'il vous plait is preferred.​
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  Vegemite -- A plot to foist upon a defenseless world, the supposed utopian ideal of what a meatless sandwich might be. ​
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  Zed -- The letter Z. Not exactly slang, but a candidate for banishment nonetheless on general principles. ​
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  Nought -- the number 'zerio'. If this caught on, the English-speaking world might finally have a name for the first decade of the 21st century: the Noughties.​

...LOTS MORE HERE:
http://www.languagemonitor.com/wst_page20.html

 

Los Angeles - The computer terms "master" and "slave", which was banned as racially offensive by a Los Angeles County purchasing department, was named the most politically incorrect term of the year on Thursday.

Among other terms on the top 10 list of politically charged words and phrases, issued by the word usage group Global Language Monitor, were "non-same sex marriage" to describe heterosexual unions, "waitron" for waiter or waitress and "higher being" for God, a term some people found too religious.

"We found 'master' and 'slave' to be the most egregious example of political correctness in 2004," said Paul Payack, president of The Global Language Monitor.

"This is but one more example of the insertion of politics into every facet of modern life, down to the level of the control processes of computer technology."

In computer terminology, "master" and "slave" refers to primary and secondary hard disk drives. But a Los Angeles county purchasing department told vendors in late 2003 that the term was offensive and violated the region's cultural diversity. The county's department of affirmative action undertook a hunt to replace it on packages.

After a public uproar, the county backed down. Payack said that while the incident took place in late 2003, debate about it grew enormously in 2004.

The phrase "non-same sex marriage" was used by a former congress member who did not want to offend gay people by using the term traditional marriage, Payack said.

Also on the list this year were "Red Sox lover" to use in place of "Yankee hater," "progressive" for classical liberal, "incurious" rather than more impolite invectives for President George Bush, "insurgents" instead of terrorists in Iraq, "baristas" for waiters, and "first year student" rather than freshman.

1. Device for master and captured device for slave in computer networking terminology
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2. Non-same sex marriage, for marriage used in Democratic Presidential Primaries
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3. Waitron for waiter or waitress
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4. Red Sox Lover for Yankee Hater during the ALCS playoffs
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5. Higher Power for God
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6. Progressive for classical liberal
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7. Incurious rather than more impolite invectives for President Bush (such as idiot or moron)
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8. Insurgents substituting for terrorists in Iraq
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9. Baristas rather than waitrons
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10. First year student rather than Freshman, though Frosh is still acceptable
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He critisized your intelligence for a variety of reasons. The most obvius was the fact that you replied to a post that you admittidly didn't read. Wtf? You claim to be familiar with what he is talking about yet you have never read it. Again, wtf? You have no idea where he stands...YOU DIDN'T READ THE POST!

 

Political correctness be damned. This is nothing less than censership.

 

general question to people within this thread:
how would you approach the whole Kramer thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6TYygh-qRM

 

This is nothing more than additional evidence that unlike people will always have hostility towards one another. Many black comedians engage in racist diatribes against whites yet are endorsed by the mainstream media etc which is EXTREMELY DISTURBING. Many black rappers use violently racist lyrics describing what they want to do to white people. Under the circumstances what Michael Richards said was definitely racist. No doubt about it. This simply validates previous points I've made that this society is on a frightening collision course pointing to violent inter-racial conflict in the next 10-20 years. Separation is the only peaceful answer. Discuss.

 

topolm-
I read the whole damn thread. Holy mouthful batman. Quite a lot of interesting stuff here. I even cut & pasted stuff from some of the links and sent it out to a few hundred friends. I would have to say that by in large I am in your camp on this issue.
However, you started to lose me a little when it got to the whole separation / segregation bit. Let's just take your post directly above this one as an example. I can agree that unlike people may always have hostility towards one another. I also realize the double standard in regards to jokes being PC or acceptable by the main stream.
PC is BS. Double standards are generally also BS. However, here is where I choose to differentiate. Everyone should be able to make any joke they choose about anyone, at least in this country which was founded on freedom, be it freedom of speech or freedom from censorship, etc. However, I do not think that Germans should be making fun of Jewish people considering the history there. I also think it's a little too early for whites to be making fun of blacks, at least in this country considering that slavery wasn't all that long ago in the grand scheme of things. What do you think about that?
My main problem with the direction that this thread has taken on (seperation / segregation), is this:

My wife is Hispanic. Now I just can't see myself "sending her back where she came from". What is it that you are suggesting we should do? We can't remove every person from this country that isn't white...it's just not going to happen. Separation is not a viable option. That is unless you are going to respond w/ the details on how this would be implemented. On the other hand, perhaps education could be a useful tool in regards to this issue. If we as a country can get over this whole PC BS then maybe we will have made some progress.
I do not see a race war happening in this country in our lifetime. Riots etc, maybe. But a civil war like thing...just doesn't strike me as realistic.
What are your thoughts?

 

I will respond to your post, but want you to take a look at the following maps:


http://www.censusscope.org/



The demographic data illustrates with frightening clarity that the country is POLARIZING on a racial basis. It is happening because racially unlike people are not comfortable around each other when a critical level is reached. Its just the way it is. Its not evil or good, its just hardwired human nature to prefer the company of those like you. Either the country breaks apart, or there will be an inter-ethnic war. I'm sure you heard of "Aztlan" and Reconquista etc. These are efforts to dismember the nation. I'm not opposed to it. I think the country SHOULD continue polarizing till people are with their own kind (each area is at least 90-95% homogenous, doesnt have to be 100%), and then split up the country. Its the only solution to prevent a Yugoslavia type of civil war x10 from occuring. Closing one's eyes, clutching their fists at their sides and praying for the best is a pipe dream at best. As you can plainly see, this country is ALREADY segregated. EVERY multi-cultural or multi-racial society implodes in time. Students of history understand this. There is no room for misguided idealism or discredited ideology when it comes to real politic.

 

i agree with salmon4me
and have to add, that humans adapt. over generations it MAY become second nature to talk to those of many races if we approach it the right away. i wouldn't rule it out.

 

Are you talking about dividing the country along the demographic lines shown in the maps or are you talking about making Black and Hispanic reservations, in addition to the Indian reservations ?

 

Dividing along demographic lines. After that, each group is completely on their own and good luck to each of them.

 

I am dating a Korean babe. Yours is Hispanic (mestiza/amerindian?). I want you o know that I understand where you are comign from...

Anyways, the humane way is this: each ethno state is committed to the organic evolution of its majority population. All institutions are arranged to benefit the majority. There would be no such thing as affirmative action or discrimination, or racial civil rights since these types of systems are needed in multicultural societies. By defintion each ethnostate's main objective is securing the ethnic/cultural integrity of its people. Hey, people intermarry. Its a fact of life. Some people may not like to be around a couple that is interracial. Others dont mind it as long as there arent too many people who have such relationships. People are people and everyone ahs their comfort level. If it become uncomfortable for a mixed ethnicity couple, they would be free to go somewhere else I suppose. I think diversity is tolerated in small amounts. When a critical level is reached people get uncomfortable. I really wouldnt see you as having a problem with a hot latina wife. Now if there were tens of millions like you, then yeah, Houston we have a problem... DO you get the point??? Its like this... In order for China to be China, it needs to remain Chinese. If the Chinese leave, and Indians move it, do you still have a China? No ya dont... If half of the women in China married Indian guys, will China remain Chinese? No. Genuine diversity is preserved by ethnostates. I love traveling. When I go to Italy I want to see Italians, not Somalians. When I go to Mexico, I want to see Mexicans. When I go to China, I want to see Chinese and their great culture.

 

Good, that means I will be in the new Texafornia Union. We will immeaditaly become the 4th largest economy in the world. On top of that we will have a well equiped miltary including a nice stock pile nuclear weapons.