I just realised why I am an atheist !!! Thats it ! I just realised that my mission is to understand humankind - not god to know what mankind does and the extents - the limitations and the breaking through those limitations - the awe inspiring cunning and beauty of what we acheive in the struggle to survive also the awe inspiring depths and depravity of our struggle to survive I want to know where we have come from as a species and where life is taking us I am interested in mankind because to know god is to spend time trying to know god and that is a betrayal of mankind - god, whatever that term means is alien - we havent time to wonder whether god loves us - we have to think of our predicament or become extinct - we think therefore we survive - we lapse into decadence and think of god - therefore we betray humanity and die - to love god is to hate and fear humanity - while godfearing folk squabble amongst themselves over who is right - our planet is choking to death - people are starving - and while that is going on scientists bring on cures and new ideas - polititians ensure the survival of an empire - artists create to keep the spirits up - and godfolk pray hoping the alien one will rescue us of course there are exceptions like some soldiers pray and some scientists kneel before the invisible one but generally that is my revelation
Co And there you have it The complexity of human consciousnes is a product of the objective laws. Who defined the laws? Are you suggesting this universe is 'the first' And just happened to have laws that can evolve sysytems so complex our fastest supercomputers cant even understand the trash these systems leave on the footpath for us to step in? No, this universe is not the first, it is directed, or evolved. Occam
No, this universe is not the first, it is directed, or evolved. thats right from some as yet unexplained deterministic principle of matter that evolved to its present condition that I want to understand A principle in which it is unreasonable - according to revisions of occams razor- that there is a creator of the universe that is godlike
Col Occam never said there was a creator of the universe that was godlike. All mater/energy has always existed. He said 'how did the objective laws come to result in such a ballanced complexity in what we call our universe' You say its a 'yet unexplained deterministic principle' This is regression logic. How could a random based 'unexplained deterministic priciple' result in such massive and ballanced complexity? One that contains indeterminate dynamic subsets. [life] Without evolving process, randomness cannot result in such complex stable systems. Evolving systems means new base lines for evolution to advance from. Occam believes that reality has allways existed. The sum total of all energy/mater is infinite in duration pastwards. Some small effort in thought on this. And our universe becomes a very logical and even mundane thing. A garden where flowers called consciousness grow Occam