Yippee! Websites NOT libel for third-party postings!

Discussion in 'Computers and The Internet' started by skip, Nov 20, 2006.

  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    In a good decision, the California Supreme Court has said that website publishers (such as yours truly) are NOT liable for libelous postings by others on the website.

    Of course this means that the original poster IS still liable if they defame or libel someone or a company or organization.

    This is a huge victory for Freedom of Speech, btw, cause now webmasters don't need to worry about having to censor this type of speech. The responsibility lies completely with the poster.

    I'll be breathing easier for a long time to come... :)



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    SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) - Websites that publish inflammatory information written by other parties cannot be sued for libel, the California Supreme Court ruled Monday.

    The ruling in favour of free online expression was a victory for a San Diego woman who was sued by two doctors for posting an allegedly libelous e-mail on two websites.

    Some of the Internet's biggest names, including Amazon.com, America Online Inc., EBay Inc., Google Inc., Microsoft Corp. and Yahoo Inc., took the defendant's side out of concern a ruling against her would expose them to liability.

    In reversing an appellate court's decision, the state Supreme Court ruled that the Communications Decency Act of 1996 provides broad immunity from defamation lawsuits for people who publish information on the Internet that was gathered from another source.

    "The prospect of blanket immunity for those who intentionally redistribute defamatory statements on the Internet has disturbing implications," Associate Justice Carol Corrigan wrote in the majority opinion. "Nevertheless ... statutory immunity serves to protect online freedom of expression and to encourage self-regulation, as Congress intended." Unless the U.S. Congress revises the existing law, people who claim they were defamed in an Internet posting can only seek damages from the original source of the statement, the court ruled.



    Source:http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/cp_z112019A.xml.html
     
  2. Columbo

    Columbo Senior Member

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    Of course its also a matter of where the libel action is taken - for example the case of spammers v's spamhaus where in a British court they would exonerate spamhaus but in the US courts they slammed spamhaus. Also its only libel if the claiims are proven unsubstantiated.
    http://www.spamhaus.org/legal/answer.lasso?ref=3

    Jurisdiction over the parties is paramount too
    Also I believe that if a website claims publishing rights and copyright to works
    published on the site (as hipforums does(from info gathered in the suggestions forum)) that could implicate them as a collusive party surely

    Do you have a lawyer skip ? cant you ask them what the status is if a site claims ownership as you would then be like a newspaper with reporters = could be the actual case you refer to is in the case of sites that dont claim ownership rights
     
  3. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Colombo, I think you're confused about publishing rights. Original copyright is always owned by the originator unless they sell or give away those rights. Any and every publisher is granted a LIMITED publishing right (copyright) when a person makes a post. The original poster still retains their rights to that work, it never passes over to the publisher. Same for books or any media.

    The big difference between books & the Web is that a publisher edits every word in a book, whereas on the Web, it's impossible for a publisher to read, much less edit every word.

    This area of the law is so new, most lawyers themselves haven't a clue. So I have to keep up on it myself, usually.

    In fact I just informed a lawyer a few minutes ago of this law. He threatened me with a lawsuit just last week over a comment someone made on an article in Hippy.com. I set him straight.
     
  4. Columbo

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    Ok I see where youre coming from now - yeah of course its the newpaper that publishes and because they control the content they are liable !

    do you get a lot of people threatening legal action against you for posts made here ?
     
  5. skip

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    No, not a lot. Occasionally we get asked to take something down, but we don't always comply. Everything is considered on a case-by-case basis.

    There have recently been issues with slander/defamation against a commune and a business. To be slander/defamation, it would have to be a lie, and in some cases it's not possible for us to make such a determination.

    Unfortunately this ruling doesn't make it clear whether we still are supposed to remove such stuff once we've been informed of it, or if we are still liable if we don't. It seems to imply that we have a blanket immunity - they can't sue us for the words of others, period. So that would also imply we could leave it up with impunity, until the poster themselves edit it or request its removal.
     
  6. Columbo

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    They cant put you in the position of being a judge can they - because if they do then it sort of puts you on one side or the other so I think thatsthe reason behind it - it would add credence to one or other side perhaps - either that or they just think its unfair for you to take that on !

    perhaps you could inform people of the law in a sticky at the top of each forum when you find out what the law actually entails? It could act as a disclaimer for you

    Slander and Libel laws are different in each country but the internet seems to be governed by U.S. law - That case with spamhaus is a laugh because the American spammers that tried to sue them under US law had to prove that spamhaus had businesses or a business registered in the USA in order to try them there - but Spamhaus is a British registered company and so the spammers would have to try the case in Britain where they would have lost - so apparently the spammers just made up a story and filed false claims to the judge saying spamhaus were registered in the USA and the judge accepted it - so spamhaus are turning it into a case of jurisdiction rather than libel which is good. The spammers havent got a chance in a British court but the USA is lenient
    seems to me like you just have to choose your country to fight in if you want to win
     
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