As much as really I don't want to admit it, that's probably one of the most true neo-historical things I've heard about the war. Though, it was still Mr. Lincoln's war. I believe civil rights are an inevitable act of supreme being which balances out over time, pretty much like tapping a scale with your finger... Though, I do feel that the government would have been run alot more tightly-knit with having stronger local/state governments opposed to large federal governments. Considering the need of an economy boost, the decriminalization of cannabis in Denver would really help... many things like that. Tourism is just one of those things that's one of life's headaches, but it's a sacrifice you make to live in a beautiful and fairly thriving place from labor day to memorial day.
if george is shaking your hand it's for publicity and to get re-elected even though saddam will be gone, we'll probaly just end up with one of his followers, so instead of killing him, we should go midevil on his ass and torture him until he can't stop crying and screaming
Yeah.... you realize that we aren't the world police, right? If someone has a backwards form of government, who says we have the right to say "okay we're gonna have to intervene here." Secession wasn't an immediate danger to the Union because although feudalism and slavery suck, how does this threaten the Union? America isn't the Mommy and Daddy of all the backwards countries in the world, and by invading and intervening and trying to push our beliefs on other people (even if out beliefs are right) we just make those we impose upon (like Iraqis) hate us even more and they become more resistant to us. Thats just how it works. If you go into a country and say "yeah we're killing a whole bunch of your people and destroying a sizable portion of your country, but we're doing it FOR YOUR OWN GOOD" do your really think your gonna get a good response?
Actually, we are the world police. You just really don't want to admit it and neither do I... And if America is so bad, then you can go live with Il, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Castro, and everyone else and how much better it really is. I don't agree with it, but if it wasn't for us, France and the majority of Europe would be speaking German, the nazis would be under control, the United States' national language might be japanese, and if it weren't for France, this country would not be here today, as we would have not won the American Revolution due to the blockading of the Chesapeake during the Siege of Yorktown and the Marquis DeLafayette. Then again, we also profited off of the rebuilding of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and we'll probably be rebuilding and reeping the benifits of Iraq too, if debts are settled. Unfortunately, there isn't shit I can do about this, though I think we're better off in this sort of situation, as we generally have been since 1783. Unfortunately, I don't believe war is worth waging and I don't believe there has been a true obligatory war since World War II. C'est la vie.
I fucking cannot stand how Americans think they saved France from speaking German. What they stopped was the western half of Europe from speaking Russian. The Western Front had maybe a fifth the people involved that the Eastern Front did.
True, that's the big picture... though I'm tired of the France Vs. America bullshit, so I'm quick to note France without considering the rest of the continent. You figure if the axis won, they would have ended up battling each other at some point in time, wether it be assasination or war...
I noticed you mentioned the nazis. Well, by saying we can boss around the rest of the world because of where we were born (america) you have officially brought yourself to the elitist, divine right level of the nazis. Guess what Hitlers justification for WWII was? (Hint: he thought Germans were the world police)
I never said we can boss around the rest of the world. I said that we do, which obviously means, if you are a realist, that we can. There's a big difference there. It's not that I agree with it, it's just that there really isn't shit I can do about it and better us than Ahmadinejad or anyone else... because I'd probably be sitting in a mushroom cloud right now.
We're not better than Ahmadinejad or any other terrorist or terrorist leader. They kill people they don't like because they think it's their job. We kill people we don't like because we think it's our job. We attack them for the same reason they attack us. We are not the world police. Just because we have the big guns doesn't mean we can tell other countries what to do. BTW, thats what police do, they tell other people what to do.
Ditch your fucking moral superiority here. Stalin didn't join the war until the non-aggression was broken. The US didn't lend us military support until Pearl Harbour was attacked.
But it wasn't the world... It was the south, a huge portion of our own country. It affected the Union greatly...you had two different types of economies going on, both dependent on the sale of flesh. And a whole chunk of your own country just up and leaves? I think that would constitute an immediate danger... I understand that killing and then saying "hey, you'll thank us later" isn't that great of a technique to go about solving a problem. But war, I don't care what anybody says, is inevitable. Conflict is inevitable; we have problems with each other because we're human, that's what makes us human. It's like theater - what is theater without conflict? Nothing. What is life without war? Nothing. As much as you hippies would love to sit around the campfire with the rest of the world and sing kumbaya...it's not gonna happen. You can't ignore a problem, and sometimes diplomacy just doesn't cut it because people are stubborn.
War is kind of like going to a bar, in my mind. Kind of like how people in South Park are portrayed to think Canadians are beady-eyed, have one road (trans-canadian highway), say buddy alot, and have mouths that flap and talk fast.
Man, what the fuck are you talkin about? And ConeyIsland, I understand where you're coming from, I guess I'm just optimistic - violence may be kinda inevitable now, I just think it'll take a while to grow out of it.
that's bullshit. If you look at the recent past (last 5000 years or so; since the discovery of language really) and extrapolate from there, then maybe war is inevitable. but if you believe time is not linear, that there have been many cultures before ours, that there will be many cultures after, and maybe believe in the novelty theory, then you would awaken to possibility, and release your resignation. what happens if we awaken a new worldwide consciousness in. What if we become telepathic. It's not new. There have been such societies before (the Toltecs, anyone?). But it takes some people willing to try something new, to make a change, to realize we don't have to live by the past. idealist? sure. why not? You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
