Atheism in North Korea

The North Koreans base their culture on the central theme of the Juche Philosophy as founded by Kim Ill Sung. Atheism is its core component and begins with the idea that

Very much worth reading - even if you cant agree with North Korean politics - the Atheism is astoundingly refreshing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche

I liked the first paragraph

 

So, you're saying you support the philosophy of a barbaric dictator who murders people left and right for little reason? Good stuff Columbo. Good stuff.

 

No I'm saying read the text out of interest

do you want me to spell it out? do you need lessons in reading?

(in the abscenc of god - debateably so huh?) Besides GW and a couple o other
presidents have killed morepeople than any North Korean and they were (ha)
democratically elected - so was Blair in the UK
Hiroshima - Nagasaki

werent me that killed people

 

As much as I loathe the thought of W. in the White House that simply isn't the case. Do a president versus president of the past two presidents of said nations. Trust me. It's not even close.

North Korea is one of the most horrid violators of human rights. Don't take my word for it. Look it up.

BTW Just because you're an atheist it's no reason to hold in high value the philosophy of a genocidal mad man. Is it?

 

No but I'm not - I'm holding and upholding the thought that in the abscensce of god man is master of everything and decides everything -

I can show people this on wikipedia without saying go and slaughter people or without saying follow Sung - cant I surely his propositions are worthy of debate in the same way that the catholic church has been responsible throughout history for millions of deaths and yet I can look at what they say for consideration - I dont have to support the genocide they commited if I ask "is abortion right or wrong" - or put the proposal that god exists

although its certainly a legitimate concern - thank you for raising it I will remember not to send any aid to Korea or offer the notion that he was a worthy leader

 

There's no such thing as real atheism. People that vigorously promote atheism like that are actually setting themselves up as gods. I have books by Chairman Mao and other communist leaders that are very curiously designed very similarly to bibles. They have the markers like a bible, and a picture of the wise leader on one of the front pages with a tissue type sheet covering the 'sacred' picture.

I used to listen to Radio Pyongyang in English when I was able to pick it up on shortwave. They spend absolutely the entire hour of programming praising the "Dear Leader Comrade, Marshall Kim Jong Il". "The greatest genius that mankind has ever known", they call him. Long songs lasting about 20-30 minutes are composed just to praise Kim Jong Il. The station expends almost all of its time praising him rather than extolling the benefits of socialism or the superiority of their political system.

Don't be fooled. Leaders that have spent a lot of their energy extolling atheism and attacking religion have done so with the intent of making gods of themselves. Rotsa ruck, Comrade Kim. You're gonna need it.

 

Well, possibly when you're leveling charges against Christianity you could just see the good parts of it. Like you choose to do with North Korean philosophy. That sounds fair doesn't it?

 

I've got a book just like that by Oscar Wilde and another one by Lord Byron, ya know with a tissue covering the pictures - its how really expensive books are sometimes made especially leatherbound editions. Anyway I can see how people cant debate the issues sensibly so if you want to have a look at wikipedia do so, but if you dont then dont
Hmmm (I was hoping to debate whether in the abscence of god man is master) - well there goes that !

ok just for the record Kim Ill Sung is a murderous lying evil bastard who killed some people like most leaders did but because he isnt a religious leader we cant talk about his atheism - and I promise I wont talk about the catholic churches mission to slaughter 100's of millions in the 1500's and 1600's over in South America - but we can debate whether god exists or not

 

No, he didn't kill people like "most leaders do" . The genocide he was involved in was legendary. You can't play it down just because you are trying to prove a point.

Why and how The Catholic Church killed people is relevant to any of this how? LOL Out of the blue you just start bashing Catholicism. I'm not Catholic BTW but have at it.

If your angle is because I'm Christian and they're Christian it's still not relevant. If you're robbed by a black man do all black man rob you? I know not. If I tell you however that you should subscribe to a doctrine that promotes murder of anyone who opposes it what does that say about you?

 

My point precisely - so now I can say, "what, you mean like the catholic church did, and the muslims do?". Whats the difference?
Theyre all just some people preaching something - and here we are sitting in the middle watching most doctrines slaughter millions so I dont get it - whats difference between this and any other doctrine?

Not all Koreans are mass murderers- and North Korea has christian churches there - that guy - cant remember hois name a big evangelist christian went there and preached in the churches

oh there we go

I dont get it - but hang on what if for a minute we just assume I said it
"man is the master of everything and decides everything"
I think thats true what do you think?

Infact just forget it it aint that important

 

Its:


THE man is master of everything and decides everything.

and THE Man is: Kim Jong Il

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche

 

Two evangelists visit the country? And? Upon arriving do you think they were trying to spread the word of Christ or talk about how wonderful Juche is?

 

Well since billy Graham preaches christianity I expect - he went there to see for himself what its like in Korea - it would be interesting to see what he made of it - I expect you already dug up some info - I'm not here to defend Graham - just the proposition
in the abscence of evidence of god man is the master

Your absurd position is that we are not allowed to debate the issues of a madman like Ill-Sung on the basis that you dont like like his philosophy - I have to say I dont exactly find myself enamoured of Nietzsches ignoramous philosophies but I debate them because other people want in the open what that man thought - so we just drive North Korea underground do we and not try to understand it - just bomb the holy fuck out of it and and turn them into christians - HA HA HA DO ME FAVOUR LOL
war is it - dont bother with understanding them - smack em in the nuts

 

Again, you are making up stuff and taking this WAY out into left field when you feel like your position is being threatened. Never once did I say we should blow them up and make them Christians. It wasn't even vaguely implied. I did NO research on why Graham or Warren went to N. Korea. I can tell you why it was though...To spread the Gospel.

You automatically classify me as a beer swillin', tobacco chewin', bomb the world, good ole' boy. I'm sorry to ruin this stereotype for you but I'm a pretty liberal Christian. My position stands though. How can someone who constantly berates Christianity based on some doctrine and the actions of some Christians ;turn around and not want to embrace the full doctrine of another philosophy? Picking and choosing what is wrong and right.

How convenient.

 

Well I never vaguely implied anyone had to follow Ill Sungs philosophy either - it was you suggested he was guilty of genocide - I merely attributed to him authorship of the words I quoted and put a link so people could verify I wasnt making it up - and to learn more if they wanted -

I choose for myself what to believe based on trying to understand it and reason with others my entire philosophy if you must know is in accord only with this one maxim which is the philosophy of justification

So what are you saying ? point out where I have gone wrong in wanting a discussion on Ill Sung - I want to know why the west wants war with him - best place to start? his words I guess huh? and if he said anything I agree with - fine and if not - fine at least I and others can discuss it and that is my position so why are you hassling me ? Am I not allowed to discuss it without you on my back detracting from the issue?

Well if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck - its probably a duck

 

You have never read any of my posts before this if this is your weak assumption. It's as hollow as the rest of your posts in this thread.

Justification? Of what? Your every viewpoint even if it contradicts another viewpoint you're not discussing presently? With Christians it's all or nothing. With Communism it's okay to pick and choose? Point out to me how and where that's just?

BTW I must say I do admire something about you. You're not only on The Christian forum speaking about atheism. You're all over. I commend that. Oh, I mean QUACK QUACK.

 

You are never 34 years old you argue like an imbicile or a child
menwhile - stay amazed at my audacity

I am whatever you say I am
If I'm not then why would i say I am
(eminem)

 

2 Questions

1. That's not how you spell meanwhile. Is it?

2. Did you just quote Eminem to prove a point?

I win this by default.

 

Oh I am glad about that.
Yes you won !
Well done !!


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