Smashing the Police State

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal"--(Janet Reno)
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That and the opinion of our military personel would be the only hold-ups if they wanted to enforce a police state. They don't however, if we can't control a country like Iraq they won't want to spend the cash to do it here.

 

no, private ownership of firearms in the 21st century is essential to safeguarding a people against an emerging police state.

say no to increased regulation of firearms.

 

Rubbish !! All that kind of talk does is to fuel the situation wher guns are in criminal hands - No civil war is successful unless you have the army on your side and the guns would flow free then - better get your guns out of society the USA is the most violent and criminal place in the west

 

Who said anything about civil wars and armies?

The thread is clearly about individuals and groups resisting a Police State.

 

Statistics show us that gun crimes have actually went up with the passage of gun control legislation. Gun control bills only cause the black market to become flooded with them, making them more accessible to people who would use them to commit violent crimes.

The complete takeover of this country would have happened years ago if it wasn't for the right to own guns.

Most of the problems we see in this country with gun violence is the result of something that has been planned, because the more gun violence people see, the more likely they are to come running to the government, begging the government for something to be done in order to "protect" them. Again, it's all based on dialectics.

 

huh? thats idiotic
indivuduals fighting the police state with guns is only gonna cause alotta individuals to die...and alotta innocents as well

and this state,ent Most of the problems we see in this country with gun violence is the result of something that has been planned, because the more gun violence people see, the more likely they are to come running to the government, begging the government for something to be done in order to "protect" them. Again, it's all based on dialectics.
is just incredibly dumb
and your statistics are way off as well, gun control works when its done right, and does reduce violent crimes

who are the ones fighting against gun control? yup the same ones who will initiate tthe policestate...think about that

 

Well, Soaringeagle, it seems as though you're one of the many people who believes that governments pass gun control legislation because they care about the welfare of the people and want what's best for you and your family. You don't understand the true agenda behind gun control, so you support it because you have bought into the government's multi-million dollar propaganda campaign that tells you it's a good thing and for the public's own good.

So prove it.

You say that the same people fighting gun control will be the same people who initiate the police state, but what does that mean? It's every person's right as an American citizen to own guns. Are you saying that every person who wants to keep their constitutional right to own guns is dangerous? Are you saying the government is better off making people's decisions for them, instead of the people themselves?

 

PROVE IT...

Burden is on YOU. Lets see the numbers. If you dont provide the evidence then you're a LIAR or a naive utopian.

 

Do you have the stats on gun crimes? More particularly, do you have stats that show that legal gunowners commit the overwhelming majority of crime in America? Do you have proof or are you talking out of your ass. Thought so...

The truth is that the overwhelming majority of gun crime in America is caused by criminals who get their guns illegally. Gun control laws are not an issue at all for them DUMBO. Law abiding citizens comprise the majority of gunowners in America and a criminal minority who cant purchase guns legally get them on the black market. How do I know??? I have friends in the ATF and FBI (on my softball team). We've talked about this at length.

 

Police States are initiated by bribing the populace with goverment benefits, goverment jobs, all kinds of income maintence progrms.

Police states stoke the envy of the proletariat and promise them the wealth and posessions of the bourgiosie to be distributed accordingly, IF only the goverment was to be granted the cohercive power to confiscate said posessions.

Formative Police States also seek the power of a moral superiority over secular and temporal worlds.

Once in posession of these powers. its done, guns or not.

Julius Ceasar, Henry VIII, Napolean, Hitler all confiscated thier way to absolute power.

 

A bunch of people want to have guns so that when the police state comes (yes, I know some think its already here), they can resist the state and form a new one. The problem is the new state is also based on guns and will lead to the same police state, just with different overlords.

 

Intellectually, this is a rather weak argument. The founding fathers understood that government was founded to function as a SERVANT of the PEOPLE. The current establishment is attempting to introduce statism, whereby people are servants of the government. Guns in the hands of citizenry are meant to overthrow a tyrannical government when it becomes unbearable to live under its rule. America was founded on the principles of SELF POLICING rugged individualism. What you say would happen, would not actually happen.

 

Curious... please break down members of the proletariot by profession.

 

the poor & opressed vs the rich & mighty. y'know the same old rag.

 

NOPE!!! Not good enough. What are the professions of those who are "poor and opressed"? America has a poverty rate of 15-20%. These people are NOT the proletariot. The proletariot are the members of the middle class who work for multi-millionaire business owners (who are the bourgeosie, who also own the political process, who also control both politcal parties, who also control the media, financial and industrial capital of America) and are being fucked over with lowered wages due to illegal immigration, outsourcing, no wage increases etc etc...

 

Well, anyone who might stand to gain from a mass confiscation and redistribution of wealth.

 

Agreed.

 

I was disagreeing with Mao's "all political power comes from the barrel of a gun" rather than quibbling about who should have them. Perhaps disagrement is too strong a term. I was questioning the wisdom of using violence for politial purposes. The war in Iraq is wrong not because the US is imperialistic; it is wrong because violence is wrong.

 

In appreciation of the large image I've blocked everything from photobucket! What is it with friggijn morons insisting on putting huge images in discussion threads making them difficult to read?