Regarding the collapse of the Twin Towers

In case you didn't know, I have been on a hiatus from the forums. Now that I am back, I am looking at some of the old posts. I had written one before I left about professor and 9/11 truth scholar Jim Fetzer on 'Hannity and Colmes'. It seems that a large discussion has materialized since my departure.

Frankly, I see a lot of misinformation coming from both sides of the argument.

First of all, regarding the 47 steel-column cores of the towers.... the core of WTC 2 was visible during the collapse and for a few seconds afterward. Most people who support the official version for the collapse never like to talk about the massive cores of these buildings because it contradicts the government's pathetic pancake collapse/truss failure theory, which has been thoroughly disproven and discredited.

So the question is, if the trusses failed, which is just ridiculous, what brought down the cores of these buildings, leaving pools of molten steel beneath the rubble?

What caused the buildings to GAIN speed as they fell, falling at free fall speeds?

What pulverized all the concrete in the buildings?

What sent bone fragments, some less than a quarter inch long, flying through the air to land on top of neighboring buildings?

What produced the explosion sqibs seen dozens of floors below the collapse zone?

What caused massive steel beams to hurtle through the air during the collapse?

What created the pyroclastic flow seen in the aftermath of the collapses?

These are the questions you debunkers and so-called 9/11 truthers need to touch upon, which you're not.

 

Dude, Welcome Back !

 

Dude, the WTC isn't like most other skyscrapers, the trusses held the walls and the central core together, if you lose any single part, everything fails. When you see radio towers what comes from them? Wires. That's because they can't stand on their own, neither could the columns.

They didn't fall at freefall speed, that's a common misconception, the building's collapse starts before it is readily noticeable from video, secondly, gravity caused it to accelerate.

Gravity pulverized the concrete, along with the weight of 110 stories of building.

The airplanes were flying at what? 400 mph, that seems like it could launch a bone fragment.

Explosion squibs? Could it be gas lines or something being damaged and exploding, to be honest I don't know, I never saw explosions.

Once again, tension etc. caused the beams to snap with a lot of potential energy.

Any building collapses causes a dust cloud.

 

Why can't people just leave 9/11 behind in the history books, look at how many innocent people have died in Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

Um, excuse me.... 9/11 was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. It was used as the justification for everything that is happening. The innocent people that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan is the direct result of 9/11.

 

It wasn't like other skyscrapers because of its indestructable inner core. The trusses DID NOT hold the core together, and you're going to need better proof than just a false assumption you spew as fact to get me to believe that.

It's funny FEMA and the Commission report ignored the core columns. I wonder why?

They did fall at free-fall speeds, and the floors below the collapse zone would have created resistance, so your gravity theory is just ridiculous. In order for the towers to fall at the speeds they did, the floors below the collapse zone would have had to been blown out ahead of the collapse, which they were.

Gravity pulverized the concrete? That makes no sense at all.

Possible but not likely. The first plane into WTC 1 virtually swallowed the plane whole.

That's because you have done little to no research. The demolition squibs can be seen in several videos.... ones seen on 9/11 but not after. Try watching '911 Mysteries: Demolitions'.

Tension doesn't cause beams to turn into projectiles with such force that they lodge into neighboring buildings.

A dust cloud, but never a pyroclastic flow comparable to a volcano. Conventional collapses never pulverize all a building's concrete into a fine powder.

 

The U.S. has done a horrible job of getting those responsible for 9/11, a horrible job. They've failed. And because of their failure they've killed hundreds of thousands. That's your conspiracy, the U.S. always trying to find a way to make satelite states like the U.S.S.R did back in the Cold War.

 

(sigh)

Okay PR, I confess. I did it. I was behind 9/11. There, you can get on with your life now.

Oops, I'm sorry, I forgot. This IS your life.

 

I do not believe I have read any scientific reports that thoroughly discredit the truss failure theory, could you please provide some links from credited sources please. Here is a link to a report that gives some scientific explanations to the truss failure theory.

http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf

I know this man is surely a shill and a pawn for the US government who actually funds this mans research and the website hosting this PDF report is clearly owned and run by another shill and possibly a US agent, but nevertheless, the information in the report sheds some light on the physics of how the towers collapsed, and should be the point of discussion.

 

That makes absolutely no sense. If you think they're pawns of the US government, why would you believe their report?

 

I stated the second paragraph so it would not have to be explained to me in a response post. I do not believe that, but that is surely not going to be the case for some people. You know the routine, anybody who agrees with or can explain the "official story", is surely a shill for the government. I am not new to the workings of Hip Forums.

 

The WTC was built on a three part structure, the inner core, the outer walls, and the floor trusses. If you lose any single part, you lose the entire system.

The near freefall speed was what you could see, the outside walls falling, the inner floors were falling before the walls noticeably moved.

How does gravity and the weight of 110 stories falling down on the concrete turning it into dust not make sense.

I just watched a bunch of clips from 9/11 and didn't see any squibs.

Apparently you don't see the potential energy in bending a steel beam to its breaking point because it could lodge into a building with ease.

I don't see what you are saying by a pyroclastic flow, but I see a dust cloud which is normal to any skyscraper destruction.

 

Not according to the people who designed the towers.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_1Gozc3ANg

No, once the actual VISIBLE collapses began, they fell at freefall speed.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/freefall.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/proofs/speed.html

Literally ALL the concrete was pulverized and distributed all across Manhattan. There was almost no concrete visible in the rubble of Ground Zero. Just steel beams, that's it -- nothing else. Gravity and weight does not pulverize concrete like this. Explosives do.

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qDB40lkZrk

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/squibs.html

Because it's IMPOSSIBLE for this amount of energy to be displayed with a simple pancake collapse.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/pyroclastic_flows_911_smoking_gun.htm

 

Apparently Stan was behind 9/11

 

oh pressed rat....you and I and the 911 truthers are just a bunch of retards, havent you heard. The 911 Ommission Report is totally right and contains no flaws. Just give up and forget 911 was used to completely set into motion world government and tyrrany.

 

Okay cynics, lets give the government benefit of doubt and say that Arab hijackers did crash planes into the buildings solely causing the collapse.
What about: airline put options
multiple warnings about impending terrorist events
WTC 7
US military already gearing up for offensive in Afghanistan prior to 911
Project for a New American Century

De nile isnt just a river in Africa people....wake up!!

 

"The Nile" should not sound the same as "denial" unless you have a speech impediment.

 

Gee thanks for pointing that mistake out to me....your so smart. As for me I never made it through 1st grade, its a good thing there are smart asses like you to try to make other people sound dumb.

Its a figure of speech jerko

 

America is in a collective state of denial. That was my point.
Im sorry Nalencer, I shouldnt be so rude....nothin but peace and love

 

Inside job, nothing more to it than that.