Vatican convenes summit to fight the "threat" of alternative faiths!

Since When are Druids "New Age"?????

 

Its new age because its a new trend amongst people. Anything founded by younger people or revamped is instantly new and hip... I like how the church wants to stomp out the religions that predate them. Next its the Jews...

 

Ya, the label of "New Age" is kind of ironic, because many of the religions existed before Christianity or Jesus. Buddhism which is considered "new age" existed hundreds of years before Jesus was even born. It has been around longer, but I guess it's still considered "new age" because only recently has the west come to embrace it.

In Kindness,

Diana

 

The western world is not the be all and end all. Druidism and other ancient religions stayed strong yet mostly underground. Who cares what the US adopted as "new age"

December

 

This just further proves that catholicism is evil, to me.

 

Bring it on.......I could sit here and refute you all day too.

 

Your right.

Actually, here is what the Bible says about Priests and marriage. Leviticus 21:14-
"He must not marry a widow, a divorced woman, or a woman defiled by prostitution, but only a virgin from his own people."

Says that he can get married, doesn't it? Peter was the one who spoke extensively on why he felt people should not get married.

The Catholic church says that Peter is the rock that their church was built on. They don't even follow most of his teachings. Funny huh?

 

Your post makes no sense. If Peter explained why Priests and others should not get married, how are we not following his teachings, since priests cannot get married?

But, I think they should be allowed to get married.

 

Peter didn't teach not to marry, it was merely his personal opinion. I find it amusing that the Catholic church clings to that rather than his important teachings.

 

gosh, i thought that it was st paul (nee saul of tarsus) who railed against sins of the flesh, counseled against marriage (but, still - "better to marry than to burn"), seemed to wanna "keep women in their place", etc...
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as to priests marrying, well - they used to be permitted marriage (&/or concubinage, etc...)
clergy from other denominations who are married & convert ot roman catholicism are premitted to remain married...
eastern orthodox married men are permitted to become priests (but not vice versa, i think)...
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& female clergy - well some of the early christian communities (especially the gnostic christians) practiced strict equality of the sexes, including equal opportunity for filling clergy roles (sometimes filled by lot, with all members of a congregation eligible for roles of priest, deacon, bishop, etc)...

(several american lutheran groups (well, most of 'em --- now organized as ELCA) started ordaining women in the 1970s, & seem to have survived the transition )(well, not according to the missouri & wisconsin synods, hehheh...)

 

I find it amusing how i historically prove you wrong on certain issues, but then the only thing left you have to bitch about the catholic church on is weather or not priests can marry. as i have said, i think they should be allowed, and probably will change with the next pope. any other complaints you would like to put forward on the table? Go on, i know you have a very limited understanding of the historical, biblical, and traditional teachings of the Roman Church, but what do you say we do it, just for spite? Granted, i am in college now so my posts are now going to be more sparatic, random, and shorter, but i will be here, you can bank on that. It's people like you epiphany that make me want to become an apologetic for my religion, and i must say it has forced me to research it extensively, and only further proves my beliefs in the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and Christ. I know you are a christain, and i do believe that you will go to heaven like any other one, i just wish you felt the same about your fellow catholic neighbors.

BTW I love Mary

 

Believe or not, in the past, I use to be very defensive about the Catholic religion. When I tranferred from Catholic to Christian school, the people there were very unkind towards the differences between the two religions. After studying for awhile, I found things in the Bible that my old religion had never mentioned before. The switch from Christian grade school to a Lutheran high school was pretty neutral, but after I started attending a Pentecostal church last September, it blew things out of the water. For the first few months I though, "Wow, now none of the other religions have ever pointed all of these biblical truths out." I'm not saying that none of these religions have God,
but, being filled with the holy spirit, as it's a discerner, I can see that much of the mainstream faith doesn't involve complete truth. Granted, there are some historical teachings about the Catholic church that I do not know very well because I have not been in that church since I was a child. But, it greatly disturbes me when my Catholic family cannot tell me why their church doesn't stand firm in certain Biblical teachings. It's not Catholic people I have a problem with, it's just certain doctorine.

I hope things go well for you at college. I must admit, though it might seem odd, I will miss not seeing you around as much.

 

Peter was gay. That's why he believed men should not get married.

 

I just don't believe in the false doctorine that the Catholic church teaches. People say that this is what the first church leaders did, but if you look at the Bible, it really isn't. Where is the preaching, teaching, healing, worship, praise, and the signs and wonders whom Jesus said will follow his believers? I don't see this taking place in many churches around the world today. My church has these things but that it because they are true followers of Christ who only teach his message. Not tradition, but the actual words of Christ. Jesus said do not rely on tradition but on the commandments of God. Mass might be pretty, but beauty is vain. "And these signs shall follow".... I'm not seeing it around most parts.

 

Ive proved on MULTIPLE pages that Catholic doctrine is not false! Weather you choose to accept it or not does not mean it is false. You want to know what is false? The doctrine of sola scriptura, THAT is false.

Because the bible was not compiled until 393 AD!!! That is almost 400 YEARS AFTER CHRIST. What do you think Early Christians used/did? TRADITIONS!! It's not that hard of a concept.

Are you kidding me? You church is a pathetic comparison to the wonders, miracles, and appirations that are filled in the Catholic Church and it's 1500+ year exsistance. Whom or what is fighting Satan in every earthly conflict with evil, supernatural movie, or historical event? That's right, the Roman Catholic Church--you use the big dog to take care of evil.

Jesus said never not rely on CHRISTIAN tradition. (He would have been speaking about the Jewish pharassies if he said that.)

The Mass is the most beautifull, honorable, and oldest way of serving Christ, and your jealousy of it is beginning to show.

 

Actually, you really didn't. You just proved that the Catholic faith teaches more man-made doctorine. Christ tells us that his word is one of our weapons against satan. I am appalled to hear that Catholic church is teaching this message.

When Christ came a new covenant was made. They did not continue with their traditions found in the old testament. When Peter went out to preach the gospel, he didn't use traditions, he used the word of Christ. Traditions were broken.

My church is a pathetic comparison? Wow.... my church fights satan all the time because all followers of Christ fight satan. My church has the presence and power of God. Wonders and miracles never cease to take place at my church. Testimony, healing, break throughs, revivals. My church is constantly in the act of spreading the gospel. Evangelists, prophets, preachers, teachers, healing, miracles, evidence of the holy ghost... Not because of their own accord, but through Jesus Christ, they are given power in his name. I don't lift up my church just because it's the place I attend. I lift it up because it's a true church of Christ. You want to talk about movies with Catholics? LOL okay, we shall talk about movies. Exorcist was a movie with the Catholic church. In the end, the demon possessed the priest. Take any one of the Jesus's disciples filled his holy spirit. The bible tells us they drove out demons in his name. If the priest in the movie was filled with the holy ghost, that demon would have been gone in the name of Jesus Christ. He wasn't, was he? Nope, he jumped right into the priest. People born again by being baptized in Christ and being filled with he spirit of God wouldn't have been possessed because a true child of God makes satan nervous. The movie was a good account of the own sinful nature of the Catholic chruch. Why is it that the Catholic church is every where you good? Like I said before, it bares a striking resemblance to the one world religion that will dominate the world before Jesus Christ comes back. Sorry, but in the last few years, all I have seen coming from the Catholic church is corruption and deceit.

Again I say, the Catholic church doesn't even follow direct teachings from Jesus Christ. They cannot even convey his messages. Thet twist things around to make it fit into their traditions. Wolves in sheeps clothing.

Mass is beautiful, but Jesus came to spread a raw message of salvation, not sugar-coated lies. I see people being restored, re-filled, renewed, replenished, and breaking free of their chains all the time where I am. In the Catholic church I see people sitting on a pew half asleep. So again I will ask you, jealous of what? Sorry but I have the holy ghost, I have been washed clean in the blood of Christ by baptism. I have God working in my life. But when I see false doctorine being spread, I personally get offended by it. It aggravates me to no end that the Catholic church has been filling my family with lies for years and has hardened their hearts to the true message of Christ. I'm sorry that the leaders of this religion have falsely convinced others that a little sprinkle, some bread and wine, a new name of a, "saint", and listening to parables being read is going to get them to Heaven, because no where does Christ say that is the way. Those things that the Catholic church teaches could not be farther from truth.

 

I am appaled at your lack of history and reading comprehension. I swear to god you are the most close minded person on this board, and it's sad. You call yourself a Christian filled with the holy spirit or some fundementalist mumbo jumbo, and bash the Catholic Church every post you make. The "man made doctrines" were used BEFORE THE BIBLE WAS COMPLETED, and taught by the APOSTOLES, SAINTS, MARTYRS, AND EARLY CHURCH FATHERS. HOW HARD IS IT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND???? You didn't even know when the bible was made or what council it came from!!! GUESS WHAT EPIPHANY--MAN WROTE THE BIBLE, MAN COMPILED THE BIBLE, SO I GUESS YOU HAVE TO REJECT THAT TOO!!!! LOL!!!!!!! Oh brother.....some people.....this is why Christians get a bad wrap, people like you epiphany.

CAN YOU READ?? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHRISTIAN TRADITIONS, USED BEFORE THE BIBLE WAS COMPLETED in 393 Ad!!! You are so blind, you cant even read what i am posting and think about it. But shit, it does not make my any difference to you, I dont know why I am wasting my time trying to explain such a simple concept to a close minded person.

You cite one movie to refute my statement. Almost every movie where Good fights Satan, who is on the side of good? End of Days, Stigmata, the list goes on and on, and you know its true. They aren't going to get your pentecostal church to do the work, sorry, its just a fact.

Why is it you think the Catholic Church everywhere is bad? THE BIG BAD EVIL CATHOLIC CHURCH--yep, all those evil missionaries, nuns, and priests overseas spreading the gospels in Africa, healing Lepors in India, feeding kids in Latin America--yep, we are such an evil religion.

Screw you and your heretical, protestant, narrow minded garbage. Go slap someone on the forehead. I don't get pissed off often, but ill be damned if i sit here and actually listen to this crap.

Its not lies. You want to know what is a lie? YOUR DOCTRINE OF SOLA SCRIPTURA, THAT IS A LIE. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS EPIPHANY? You and your heretical, narrow minded way of thinking is the problem, not your family. Not every Catholic church is boaring, i love going to church. Just becasue we arent rowdy, slapping people in the forehead, and shouting AMEN in the middle of sermon does not make us any less Christians than you, get off your high horse. Meanwhile, I pray your family stays in the Catholic Church if that is what they want, becasue they dont need some wolf like you, who knows NOTHING about Early Church history, Catholic doctrines, or someone who does not even know where her own religion came from, and array of many other things, polluting their minds with false branches of Christianity.

And you know what, I cursed and was not a polite person in this post as I usually am and should have done, I know Christ is not happy with me, but I do not have any Tolerance for intolerant, bigoted, and uneducated people such as yourself.

P.S. I LOVE MARY:$

 

Goosfraba, dude, goosfraba. Calllllllmmmmmm....

 

Actually, the real saints and martyrs were killed for going against the Catholic faith. They tried to show people truth and the Catholic church wasn't having that. The Apostles didn't teach it the way that you claim they did. Apostles taught the way Jesus told them to teach, which is exactly what my church teaches. Yep, man wrote the Bible, while he filled with, *gasp*, the Holy Ghost. The Bible, given to us an example of how we are to be as Christians, clearly shows us how to teach the word. My church's teaching lines up with scripture, the way God intended it. The Catholic church doesn't. Are you not aware that the first Christian church was built on Peter, teaching the way Christ taught him.... You keep saying, "The early church"... but Christ gave us Peter as an example of what we are to follow. Christ said to do all things through his name, that is the simplest of rules and the Catholic church cannot even follow that. They wanna use titles. The Catholic church's laws are how it was before God came down in the flesh as Jesus Christ.... my faith is based directly on Christ's teachings.

Stigmata.... yeah, the Vatican wanting to keep certain scriptures from coming out, denying that it's even a message. That was an excellent take on the Catholic religion. It's funny that they have a man sitting around making rules. The Vatican reminds me of the Pharises in the Bible who questioned the behaviour of the apostles. I don't know, an awful lot of people coming to this church and getting saved are from Catholic backgrounds. Everyone always says, "wow, I never felt this passionate about God at my Catholic church." Miracles start to take place, healing begins, and they move towards a better relationship with God. Why? because they finally have the truth of Jesus Christ, not the watered down version that the Catholic faith gives.

So apparently you are not aware that the antichrist's one world religion starts off as peaceful and happy? It isn't going to seem bad... that is the point. I hate to tell you this but uh... mine does all these same thing, plus more. You should see the revivals that go on in Africa.... and they aren't from the Catholic church. That's not the point... the point is that the Catholic church changed the salvation plan and adopted it to fit their own needs. That is a false message being spread. That is my problem with the religion. You cannot change Christ's commands.

Yeah.... people do have a hard time when it comes to truth and admitting that the religion they were raised in was lies. I had a hard time admitting it until Christ showed me the way by the gift of his holy spirit.

The fact that the Catholic church doesn't teach things right DOES make them less Christian. The Catholic church is unsaved Christians. Pretty sad.... Polluting minds.... yes, The Catholic church has polluted minds, which is the problem. My family, yep, their church is so wonderful that most of them only make it a point to show up on holidays. "Slapping people on the head".... Actually, it's called, "laying of hands", and dear sweet Peter, the one that the
Catholic church claims founded their church, is the one who said to do so. Have you ever actually looked at praise and worship in the Bible? They were loud and rowdy. The ones who had the problems with it were the Jewish Pharises.

I'm just giving you a message from the Holy Ghost. It doesn't bother me that you don't accept it. I'm not the one who will be sitting on the throne of judgement. Sorry, but I'm here to spread a message to lost souls. Being a Christian, it's my job to spread the message, as Jesus Christ said to do. I do it the way he said to, not the way man mistook it.

 

Not all the Saints are martyrs, and not all martyrs were killed by the Catholic Church. That is a lie. You have no basic concept of church history.


The only traditions we use are from the Early church fathers....BEFORE the bible was compiled. Once again Epiphany, your doctrine of Sola Scriptura is UNBIBLICAL. ITS NOT EVEN IN THE BIBLE.

You are a narrow minded bigot, and most people on here know it. You think your way is the right way, and that is it. I have even commented before I beleived you were a Christian, but now your true colors are showing. You think me and the other 1+ billion Catholics on this planet are going to hell. It's sort of funny in a way, but that is nonetheless pathetic, sad, uneducated, and ignorant. YOU are the heretic my dear. I have backed up EVERY church doctrine you have attacked. We base our doctrine on Tradition and the Bible.

No one wants to hear your ignorant and close minded vision of salvation and Christ. People like you Epiphany are hypocrites. You give the rest of Christians a bad name. What other denominations are not Christian to you Epiphany? You think just becasue your parents are not good Catholics, that is the Church's or other Catholics fault?

Please answere me this question: How would have early Christians worsiphed if there was no bible until almost 400 YEARS AFTER the death of Christ? We have used the same traditions for over 1800 years, this includes the REAL prescense in the Eucherist, prayers to Mary, etc. I can cite TONS of writings from the Church fathers that affirm this, we are just continuing what they started. You broke away, formed your own religion, and started slapping people in the foreheads, damning people to hell, and trying to, "save people". Christianity indeed.