seekin information on bob dylan

Discussion in 'Music' started by dont worry be happy, Oct 15, 2006.

  1. dont worry be happy

    dont worry be happy Member

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    for english this term, we have to write a eulogy and present it to the class. but the creepy thing is, we have to do it on someone who is still alive. yes weird i know. the said if we choose someone thats already passed on, we can just rip a eulogy off the net (which is a pain bcos i wanted to do Jim Morrison)

    anyways, i chose Bob Dylan and i was wondering if u guys could give me any info or whatever on what to say. please
     
  2. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    ya think part of your assignment might be doing your own research?

    look to what he reached to and brought forward, and the merging of folk and electric.
    check out Positively 4th street and read it. I found it to be very fair.
     
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    this is my research sort of. i've gathered general information on bob dylan, but i want you people's opinions on him and his influence over society. most of you people on here have a wonderful way of describing life and describing people. i wanted your opinion because your will actually be something i want to read, that isn't going to bore me to death. how has he influenced you, or how do u think he has influenced others?
     
  4. drumminmama

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    What I can speak to is his carrying on, by design, of a itenerant folk tradition, and what happened when he started toying with going electric.

    Dylan wanted to be Woody Guthrie, at a time when Woody was only respected by a small subset of people. Even his former friends could not deal with what was happening, so a tiny circle of friends was around at the end. (per Arlo G, 1995 interview)
    In Okeemah, Okla., today they still call Woody a Communist, and are pretty hateful. (personal observation)

    So by being part of a folk movement, certainly NOT the vanguard, but becoming popular by the reinvention of his own story, he allowed a stronger folk movement to live on. By tying folk to rock, he led where the Charlatans, Byrds and Eagles would follow (among many others). (personal observatio, research from 1985)
    I have a dear friend who is a singer-songwriter who credits Dylan as an influence, and through Dylan, he traced to Woody G. For performers today, Dylan and his influences are the strongest link to the people's music. (Per Ellis Paul)
    Dylan is a deeply flawed man. He has troubles with people (fame was wanted but not understood) and really is an introvert. Perhaps music was supposed to heal that. But I cannot deny that he penned some of the most anthemic people's songs ever, and with recording technology, he will be a beacon for generations. (personal opinion)

    My life interweaves with Dylan somewhat. I believe he is the first person I remember hearing on the radio (1971). He was the third storyteller in song that I really got, and understood as I got older. (John Denver and CW McCall were also played in my home a lot) After the Saved Album, I felt betrayed that he'd gone to making a buck for Jesus (he was born Jewish, as was I ), so I didn't pay much attention, and certainly didn'y buy any new albums. Still haven't. Then 87 was the Dylan and the Dead tour.
    A reintroduction facilitated by the release of a Vision Shared A Tribute to Woody Guthrie and Leadbelly by Smithsonian Folkways. Dylan gives due tribute on that album.
    My then sig O gave me a ticket to go see him for my birthday in 1988. I had forgotten how powerfully his words work, goodness knows it isn't stage presence!
    I see Dylan now when it's a multiple bill.
    Dylan can write as everyman, and when he does, it's a masterwork.
     
  5. Neo-hippie

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    Hey dude, good luck with your project.
    i could segest watch the film No Direction Home, wich is quite recent.
    He also just released a new album, wich is pretty sweet.
    there's so much you can say about this man.
    He faked a motorcycle accedent just so he could skip woodstock...!! (that's right, he didn't feel like hanging with all those hippie, admireing him, asking him all kinda questions and all.)
    the way he got booood off stage by alot of idiots once he went electric and got a back-up band. he always diliverd high quality and well tought out music though. and was an inspiration for generations.

    good luck to ya, peace
     
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    what do u mean faked? i thought it was a serious motorbike accident

    *confused*
     
  7. Neo-hippie

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    faked it dude...:)
    from what i understand from the documentay i saw covering this.
    he did get on a bike, wich was his friends, but it and a bad back tire, he knew this, but got on the bike anyway.
    he suposedly flew out of a corner and spend a few weeks in a rehabilitation clinique, this would later turn out he just wanted to get away from things, i'm not sure he was really hurt. but i'd say see around for your self, see what you can dig up...Prove me wrong;)
     
  8. drumminmama

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    DISINFO!
    The accident was in 66. Woodstock was 69.
    Dylan had a crash, no ambulance call records can be found so that says his immdiate injuries were not life threatening.
    He did break his neck, but I also discovered a broken back hours after an accident.
    He did use his recovery as a way to get out of Grossman's toiuring hell.
    He lived in Woodstock, so perhaps that is the source of confusion? (the concert that bears the name Woodstock Music and Arts Festival was in Bethel, NY.)

    from Wiki, which is a changeable source:
    After his European tour, Dylan returned to New York, but the pressures on him continued to increase: his publisher was demanding a finished manuscript of the poem/novel Tarantula and manager Albert Grossman had already scheduled an extensive summer/fall concert tour. On July 29, 1966, while Dylan rode his Triumph 500 motorcycle in Woodstock, New York, its brakes locked, throwing him to the ground. Though the extent of his injuries were never fully disclosed, it was confirmed that he indeed broke his neck. Dylan used an extended convalescence to escape the pressures of stardom: "When I had that motorcycle accident ... I woke up and caught my senses, I realized that I was just workin' for all these leeches. And I really didn't want to do that."

    and see these links:
    http://www.classicrockpage.com/newslet/newsgrap/mar02/public.htm
    which places the crash a year later, so I thoink the date onthe hed is incorrect
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    http://www.americanheritage.com/art...-robert-shelton-howard-sounes-ed-thaler.shtml
     
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    im a little confused. one thing i read said his accident was in july and the other thing i read said it was in November. do u know when it actually was?
     
  10. drumminmama

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    most articles use July 29.
     
  11. samson

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    I dont know if yer project is past due yet, but heres what I have on Bob. I rarely miss a chance to tell this story, as it was something I didnt know about him. One of those family stories that I wasnt told as a kid, but heard later on.


    My uncle was a minneapolis native, as was my father and his family, and my uncle Doug was Bob Zimmermans roomate for a few months in downtown minneapolis. Both he and my uncle were in their late teens/early 20s. Bob had yet to take on the Dylan name.

    Bob played acoustic, badly. Bob sang, badly. The place they shared had one bedroom, tiny kitchen, peeling paint and one of the few record players downtown that a person could bring their records to and hear without square adults around. They heard alot of the music of the era, whatever folks brought in when hanging out. Pretty soon, Bob started coming home with blues music that he found fascinating, and we consider standard listening now.

    Problem was, noone else liked it. Leadbelly was one of Bobs faves, but it drove the chicks off when it got played, which apparantly was often. After several discussions about how often leadbelly records should be played, Bob and Doug decided the roomate thing wasnt working out! hehehe

    and thats my story of my uncle being Bob Dylans roomate for two months! Aint that a hoot?


    Indeed Manager Albert Grossman was known to be relentless on artists and their touring. Just look where Janis ended up after his management!
     
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