North Korea successfully tests Nuke

Anyone else feel a radioactive breeze a blowin?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/09/korea.nuclear.test/index.html




Considering that it only took 2 of these babies to kill over 200,000 japanese, how long until somebody gets antsy enough to use em again?

With N.Korea already heavily sanctioned, is there anything that could be done by the International community to convince these guys to give up their nukes?

If Russia and China put more pressure on N. Korea, do you think there is a valid concern of N.Korea becoming unstable and any Nukes it develops between now and then falling into the wrong hands? Do you think that N.Korea will sell it's nuke tech to the wrong hands anyway?

 

I don't know about everyone else, but with over 17,000 nukes in the world (Israel's # in unknown), i don't sleep well at night...


Small self-sustaining farm house with a fallout shelter in the middle of fucking nowhere, here i come.

 

North Korea doesn't have any heavy sanctions, that's the point, do you realise that Kim Jong il has been threatening countries so as to get aid for his people? Do you?

North Korea has the fifth largest military, a million armed personell for a country with 23 million citizens. Sure they have hardly any military equipment but they have more than enough troops to destroy South Korea, their rival.

I don't have that much time to write out the reasons, but here's a quote from Kim Jong himself: " Any sanctions against North Korea will be considered a declaration of war " and he's crazy enough to follow that statement.

 

Kind of a defensive tone...

Let me rephrase:

The sanctions so far are U.S. sanctions.

The only thing keeping N.Korea floating is assistance from Russia and China, mostly china.

If Russia and China (and/or the U.N.) put more pressure on N. Korea, do you think there is a valid concern of N.Korea becoming unstable and any Nukes it develops between now and then falling into the wrong hands? Do you think that N.Korea will sell it's nuke tech to the wrong hands anyway?

I'm not defending N.Korea, i'm just asking how this latest news should be recieved.

 

Shane, you do have cause for great concern but I feel that I should mention here that it was estimated 40,000 nuclear warheads existed throughout the world during the Cold War. The number of estimated nuclear warheads in the world has gone down. SALT (Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty) and SALT 2 helped to reduce many of those nuclear weapons from the height of the Cold War. These were treaties signed between the US President and Soviet Premiers.

I don't believe North Korea and Dear Leader will sell their nuclear weapons, right away. With an expansive army, and muscle power to back the army up, it would make the least amount of sense to sell nuclear warheads at his moment.

No country can compete in all areas with the US military - no other nation can afford all those carriers, tanks, stealth bombers, missiles, etc. So smaller countries develop nukes instead. North Korea is becoming what's called a "niche military power". They fill a niche that most of the US military is vulerable to, which is nuclear weapons. However, it's not necessarily to say that this makes their leadership of a country more secure. (I am just discussing this as it is to me, here.)

So, would N. Korea sell its nukes? - For the right price, yes, and at the right moment, sure. I imagine it will have a very large price tag out of the range of most terrorists however, but it could be well in, say, Iran's price range. Chances are that North Korea and Iran are exchanging data as we speak.

Does Kim Jong want to go to war? I doubt it. War weakens his leadership position. If I was in his shoes I'd just use nukes as a leverage for negociations. It's also handy to help reduce the strain of the massive DPRK military.

 

Kim Jong is not a competant leader, nuff said.

 

This news should be taken as a wake up call. Kim Jong knows he has nothing to gain by using his nuclear weapons. These weapons are going to be used as very valuable bargaining tools. While an unstable man, Kim Jong will use these weapons to maintain power and control of N. Korea.

On the Iranian front, the world needs to wake up and stop fiddlefucking around. The motives behind the Iranian acquisition of nuclear weapons are vastly different than N. Korea. Many people believe the story that Ahmadinejad religiously preaches claiming Iran is only seeking peaceful Nuclear Power. The people that believe that need to get their heads checked. Iran is seeking Nuclear Weapons. I repeat, Iran is seeking Nuclear Weapons. Actions taken by the Iranian government over the past 15 years leave no other explanation.

The world is giving Iran exactly what they are wanting, time. The world has chosen to take a diplomatic course and have had failed negotiations over the past three years. Ask yourself this..How far have we gotten in these diplomatic talks during the past three years? Meanwhile we know that Iran has enriched uranium fuel (U-235), Beryllium, Polonium-210, and the scientific knowledge to make a bomb. The only variable they need is time, which we are willfully giving them.
Would a country seeking a peaceful nuclear power program.....
-keep the program secret?
-attempt to acquire materials on "black markets"?
-economically justify the cost of acquiring a program when alternative energy sources are in abundance?

Not meaning to derail this thread, just to show the importance of "time is of the essence". The N. Korean nuclear threat is not just a US threat, and the Iranian nuclear threat is not just a US threat. We need to act before the next headling we read is "Iran successfully tests Nuke".

 

Sanctions will not work on a feudal economy, Cuba is still staggering along.

 

I for one support Ahmadinejad. There is no right or wrong in the matter, it's ignorant to say " get your head checked " just because someone dissagrees with you. Ahmadinejad stated that if nations such as the U.S. and Israel have hundreds of nukes they should dissarm theirs before they tell other nations to dissarm their few nuclear weapons, Iran as a nation, which is actually headed by the Supreme Leader of Iran, which is Ali Khamenei, has always stated that no nation should have nuclear weapons, and they're right. It's been proven they could only afford to build perhaps one or possibly two nukes, it's their Fajr-3 and Shahab-5 ( to be built ) rockets that are Iran's main focuse on military force. So they want to bomb Israel, so do many nations, most of the Muslim world wants to bomb Israel. So what, let them, Israel shouldn't be there in the first place ( they lost the right to be there 2000 years ago ). Iran's not the problem here, North Korea however is, North Korea follows no law, it follows the will of its insane dictator who may have an I.Q. of 120 and that's it. Don't forget North Korea became the first and only Communist Monarchy. Its leader wasn't elected, he was just born. North Korea has the information for building a nuke, but the resources of only building a maximum of perhaps 10 small atomic bombs.

If you still think Iran is the cause for concern, you shouldn't forget what was going on when Pakistan got its nukes ( it has up to 30 now ), if Pakistan didn't start anything, neither would Iran or any other Muslim nation.

P.S. 25% of Cuba's economy is tourism and fine cigars. That's what keeps them going. I live in Canada, and thankfully I can order in Cuban Cigars, so U.S. bussiness ain't that important to a nation of what? 11 Million?

 

Why does the U.S want to attack Iran,when North Korea are clearly the crazys.

 

You had me at the beginning and then you started to lose me.

That is fantastic for you.

There is a right or wrong, though its absolute truth is unknown. So you believe that Iran is not interested in nuclear weapon technology and only a peaceful nuclear power program???

He is right, and the US and Israel should disarm. Unfortunately complete disarmament of a nuclear state is not reality. The idea of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty obligates ackowledged nuclear-weapon states not to transfer nuclear weapons. And non-nuclear weapon states not to acquire or produce nuclear weapons. And that nuclear materials must be declared to the IAEA, whose inspectors have routine access to the facilities. Iran is a signatory state of the NPT. Ayatollha Ali Khamenei issued a fatwa in 2005 forbidding the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons. What Iran says and what Iran does are two different things. BTW, Israel is not even a "confirmed" nuclear state, muchless having hundreds.

Yeah so what. Let them bomb whoever they want, the west, the infidels, etc...

Okay

Oh that is it? Just 10 small bombs? And what exactly is the definition of "small"? 100 kilotons? 1 megaton? Hiroshima and Nagasaki were very small in comparison to modern nuclear weapons. 10 Hiroshimas, big deal right....

You are starting to lose me.......

Going......Going.......

GONE.

 

I doubt the US wants to attack Iran. They, like the rest of the world, obviously do not want to see any more states go nuclear. Especially Iran.

One is crazy and one is crazy with a cause. Can you guess which is which? Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism and has claimed that terrorism is a valuable tool and that it is legitimate means to further its ideological and strategic aims. North Koreas influence has pretty much stayed within the borders of the Korean peninsula, while Iran has influenced Africa, Southeast Asia, and most of the Middle East.

 

The US wants to attack Iran?

I haven't read any headlines to that effect.

 

Time magazine

nytimes

a quick google search should bring you up to speed...

 

*googles*

I can only find rumours of war. I have found nothing substantial, honestly. I've looked.

 

Just because North Korea said it tested a nuke doesn't mean that it is the truth. I mean they couldn't even control a few missiles they shot off into the japan sea and all of a sudden they have created a nuke and succesfully tested it underground. I don't believe it.

 

I have the right to choose sides.

It has been proven by U.S. and EU intelligence that it would take Iran years to gather the resources to create 1 nuke, do you realise how possible it is to destroy 1 Nuke? Early Warning Systems were created, NORAD would be able to defend the world from one airborn nuke. If Iran had 1 Nuke, and decided to use it, it would be against Israel.

It's because of people like you the United States military spending is 400+ Billion a year. Iran does not have a rich history of lies and deceit, the U.S. however, does. Israel does have many nukes, it was given many by the U.S. throughout the 60s, 70s and 80s, and perhaps in recent decades as well, a hundred is a very percieved number by many analysts outside of the U.S., just the other day I was watching Canadian news and how across the world North Korea is being seen as a possible 9th Nuclear power ( the 8th being Israel ). Everyone knows, nobody cares if Israel admits it or not.

You have to look at the big picture, if NK used one of their nukes already, they'll have a maximum of nine, now say all nine were launched at the same time, some could be picked off by NORAD or one of the Asian rockets ( India, China, Pakistan, in the future perhaps Japan ). 9 Hiroshima bombs wouldn't even cover the state of Texas. They ARE small.

 

P.S. a Hiroshima bomb is like 4 Kilotons.

 

Even if N.Korea's blast was real small (1/2 kiloton), smuggled into Hong Kong or Tokyo by crate and detonated on the ground it would be enough to kill between 60,000 - 85,000 people, cause much more structural damage than the WW2 bombs, and who the fuck knows what it would do to the world market, the problem isn't so much N.Korea launching a nuclear weapon, but N.Korea selling the technology to Iran or to a terrorist group.

You don't need a hiroshima nuke to do substantial damage, you just need a nuke, hell you don't even need a nuke, just a plane full of jet fuel and a box cutter, so anyone who says that a # of small nukes are not so bad is deluded.

And Israel does have Nukes, upwards about 400-600 of them. They're the only thing that has kept Israel existing up to this point.

 

Isn't there speculation among the U.S. intelligence community that it wasn't a real nuclear test?.
Better were it not real because we had the above surface: blowing the world away in 1960-62 with Kennedy- Krushchev - Macmillan & it took the aftermath of the 'Cuban Missile Crisis' to draw a halt to surface nuclear testing.
In 1961 Russia exploded the greatest megaton bomb ever made.
The Chinese tested in 1964,then France & Israel.
Then the stand-off between India & Pakistan in May 1998 led to both countries testing nuclear devices.
France,most recently tested nuclear devices - the ones that 'Bono' tried to stop.
Kim Il Jong is an unpredictable despot & solves widespread famine in North Korea by acts of aggressive patriotism & soviet-style military parades.