I know it's a bit late, but who's going to Sack Parliament today? 1 pm at Westminster, the MPs are coming back from their summer break and we've got to stop them getting in. I know many of you are hippie not punk, but still we've got to do something, they're fucking it all up. See you there.j
hey there! I live in Holloway as well! Nice to meet you.. I'm not going on this March because i think its ridiculous..Sack Parliament?!?then what?!!doesnt seem realistic/sensible to me..
Hope it don't rain on your parade. I'm with the lady on this one, parliament is needed for a lot more than the headline news story. They may well be wrong in some areas of policy I can agree, but mucking it all up I would have to disagree, there have been improvements in many areas of life for many people over the recent past. What is the counter proposal, mob rule or perhaps a return of the Monarchy.
To be fair I don't think this will actually succeed in bringing down Parliament, nor indeed is it intended to actually mount a fullblown insurrection. As a symbolic act it serves as a protest against war and other injustices brought about by those who serve in that building. http://www.sackparliament.org.uk/ Hope the protest went well Jay, look forward to your report
Agreed with Lithium. I believe in government, indeed I would advocate greater state involvement in the economy and provision of services, but as a symbolic act of protest, I'll be throwing an imaginary molotov in my heart
I went for the reasons given by lithium. I actually missed the beginning for unavoidable personal reasons. Got there at 3, there was a group of maybe 100 people in a police cordon, apparently they'd been there for a couple of hours. My friend said that at 2 he'd seen a load of people with balaclavas trying to storm the HoP! Not sure that i'd have done that, but it's just trying to mobilise people - there were literally hundreds if not thousands of cops, more than i'd ever seen at once before, and remember i live in holloway. The police were ridiculous though, i argued with at least five separately about getting some water to those in the cordon. Apparently they're not allowed portaloos in case they get thrown at the police! They were adamant that people had been given water a while ago, but i talked to people inside who said that they were thirsty - it was pretty hot. After buying lots of big bottles of water, partly because people wanted it, partly because the police didn't want it, and partly for good karma we argued with loads more feds and eventually chucked them over, but i got shoved by some overzealous cop in the process. Not exactly terrible i know, but it's the principle, they were complete dickheads who wouldn't even pass water i had bought into the cordon themselves, and who had a large supply of water and fig rolls to keep themselves comfortable. I left about 5 cos i had to pick up my sister - the cops said that people in the cordon were free to go apparently, but rightly no-one was moving, and they may try to arrest them, something they threatened me with on absolutely no grounds. Another case where the police don't even follow the ridiculous laws, but do exactly what they want because of their numbers. What a waste of taxpayers if all of those policemen (all white males) were all able to be drafted in with hopefully no adverse affects.j
Great write up, cheers for letting us know what happened. There was only a 20 second snippet on Channel 4 news today, so it's always good to get a bit of eye witness detail....
I hope I persuaded my fellow hollowayite of the validity of my actions. Where do you live Pink and do you like it? I massacred the opposition today in a debate at school over whether there should be restraints on freedom of speech or not. It wasn't a very hard one though!
i live on holloway road itself....about 5 minutes from the tube..and you? i am still not persuaded at all though.. I can see the merits of a protest...But if the protest was not intent on bringing down parliament then it should have had a different name.. It may have had more coverage and supporters if it was a reliastic protest presenting realistic aims..I know I and a few other friends might have gone along had it presented itself better,..
That's a fair point. My first thought when I read Jay's report was that the confrontational nature of the protest might be one explanation as to why there were so many police and the tactics they used. But, there's room for all kinds and styles of protest, sometimes dramatic statements get the message across well. This was just a different way of putting across some incredibly important messages loudly and publicly. It was very clearly and explicitly a symbolic act with a clear point to make.
Kinda thing I'd go to if i could afford to get to London... Replace the fuckers with workers delegates
That'z coz you're a bourgeois reactionary My friend sent a card to a fellow socialist who was ill. On the front it read 'Get well soon.' And inside: 'You bloody reformist, get well now!' Classic....
I like the card! I live just by the prison, Crayford Rd. I agree with what you're saying, but i think someone's got to do some violent protesting, obviously not against people, just to get people moving.
Violence is worthless in most situations... It doesnt get people moving, events that happen to the masses move them. We're at a quietish time at the moment, but somethign will happen here. The masses will awaken. Its only when entirely necessary that you should use violence (to calrify, i am not a pacifist)
Agreed, that's the problem with guerilla movements, that exclude the masses by small groups taking power through armed means. I agree that violence may be necessary in a revolutionary situation, when faced with the repression of the state, but small scale violence achieves relatively little. I won't condemn people who want to use it, and think they can achieve something effective through it. But mass action and organisation is, for me, the way forward....
I see what you mean, but to be honest i'd been at a ska-punk squat gig the night before and felt well up for it. I have fairly defined ideas of what the right and wrong way to do things are, but if i felt like doing it and it was fun, and obviously harmless in my case, then there's no question about it.
We have had people climb up Big ben, the main building itself. Careful though, you may be mistaken for terrorist. Police around westminster have machine guns with auto fire. There are better ways of disrupting Londoners. Sit in the middle of Oxford street.:rainbow: :shower: #God save the queen...