Which field of science has done the most damage to the world?

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Inquiring-Mind, Sep 27, 2006.

  1. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    The environment is full of poisons and toxins it will take decades or centuries to undo the harm the chemists have done. Our food is full of chemicals, our clothes and other things we use.

    Second would be physics, ww2 and the bomb.

    Biology is the innocent one, even thought racists have tried to use biology to show superiority to oppress others, biology has brought us together. There is only one race which is the human race and we are all made from same organic material.

    What do you think?
     
  2. nobhdy

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    i think that you are some sort of conspiracy theorist.

    the invention of the a-bomb lead the way to nuclear power and i guarentee that the computer you are using is powered by nuclear power. plus, if we hadnt had dropped the bomb on japan, so many more americans would have died. better them than us. and dont pll that "noone should have died" crap, because the bomb was the only option.

    i do agree with you about biology, though.

    as for chemistry, i would think that has to be one of the most productive siences around, as it has made it so you you can actually eat the crops that are hervested, rather than let countless bugs get to them. also, genetics and gene manipulation make bigger crops for you and everyone else to eat. science is for the good of the world, and if you cant see that, then you shouldnt live here.
     
  3. fat_tony

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    Biology has brought us the ability to engineer viruses into organisms that can clear out entire cities in days without damaging the infrastructure, its only the innocent party because there hasnt been a WW 3. Its said the first world war was the chemists war, the second war was the physicists war and the 3rd world war will be the biologists war; I just hope im dead before it starts. What worries me most isnt that there are morons prepared to commission these weapons, after all by definition a moron doesnt understand the power they can unleash but the people who spend their lives studying these things but then decide to make them into weapons.
     
  4. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    What makes you think I do not like science? Science benefits and harms. The concern of this thread is the harms science has done. By the way my computer is not powered by nuclear power. The Japanese surrendered but we dropped the bomb anyways, scientists wanted to study the effects and the government was not going to let the billions that went to creating the bomb go to waste but this thread is not about the details of WW2. The Japaneses were just ginipigs for a physics experiment.

    Chemistry has done some good things but it all also has done some very harmful things. Some things we don't even know the effects of them yet. Chemistry is primitive and we are currently all ginipigs for chemists playing with our food, our bodies, nature, materials, and the environment. Plastic is the worse and harmful invention and maybe the guy who invented it knew that and that is why he committed suicide.

    Science as it is today is used for profit and superioirty not the good of the world.
     
  5. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    Didn't they use gas and chemical weapons in WW2?
     
  6. Columbo

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    Actually I think you are right, those industries are far from blameless but they are also without doubt an essential part of survival now. A worldwide population of 6 or 7 Billion
    is not going to survive without them
    I think Physics should be first as the amount of testing in the atmosphere of those atomic bombs (close to, if not above, 1000 nuclear tests) is probably what is to blame for the temperature rises

    A biological war will only be comparable to a nuclear war - I wouldnt worry - its all just scaremongering to panick you into their way of thinking
     
  7. fat_tony

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    Maybe but not in any great quantity. The close packed trenches of the first world war made gas very effective especially when combined with the fact it was new so gas masks were not readily available. The second world war was more open and after the first world war so from a tactical point of view I guess a gas weapon is of less use. Ive certainly not heard of any major use of gas thought it was probably used somewhere but any use pales into insignificance compared to the use of physics.
     
  8. Columbo

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    Youre kidding us - right?
    Dont they teach you anything at school these days ?

    hundreds of thousands died, millions permanently injured by it during WW1 from gas attacks !!!!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard_gas

     
  9. fat_tony

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    veyr interesting but i was talking about WW 11, my entire point was about how the first world war was called the chemists war and the second world war was called the chemists war. Back in my day they used to teach kids to read at school. I have no doubt that gas was used in the second world war but i cannot think of a battle it was a first choice deployment, except against civilians but thats not really a battle usage.
     
  10. Weetie

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    I think it's all due to mechanical engineering. I'm referring specifically to the invention of the steam engine. That started the whole Industrial Revolution. Until then, humans were pretty limited in their ability to fuck up the planet.

    Although I'm not too keen on the invention of the wheel, either.
     
  11. Weetie

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    I also think science itself didn't fuck anything up. IMO most scientists want their research to be of benefit to people. It's the POLITICIANS who misuse the science that have done all the damage
     
  12. Columbo

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    Appologies, I re-read your post - my fault - late night last night - no coffee this morning !
     
  13. Leopold Plumtree

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    Science can only be as good or bad as the way we choose to use it.
     
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    Political science and economics. E.g. Karl Marx
     
  15. Columbo

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    Marx has nothing to do with science its BS science is what it is. He claimed it was science but really what science bases itself on events which can never be repeated and occured only once - I mean the geezer made claims he couldnt back up -
    so political science is not science its History with the "BS'ers guide to the scientific understandig of politics" thrown in,
    or "Das Kapital" as it is usually reffered to
     
  16. Aeroscoper

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    Like anything else, it's about perspective. Without Science, where would we all be? Science is just an extension of humanity's intrinsic curiosity about our surroundings. I pose it's an inevitability. With most things that can affect us in a positive manner, there is usually a darker counterpart waiting for the right unscrupulous individual to stumble across it, in search of fame, fortune, greed, or by mere accident. From the early herbalists to the embalmers, people have always had a need to explore and understand, and sometimes manipulate nature.

    To ask if Science is good for us is akin to asking if it's right for caterpillar to morph into a butterfly...sure we can debate the merits of such an event, but it's an inevitability.

    And I'm not just saying this because I"m a Microbiologist :)
     
  17. ginseng23

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    I think chemistry has to be one of the most damaging sciences. Chemists have isolated chemicals from plants which have then become dangerous addictive illegal drugs. Botanists on the other hand are interested in the plants themselves such as Erythroxylum coca. Chemists are interested in chemicals such as cocaine. There is a huge distinction between the two. Coca isnt cocaine. It was a chemist who isolated cocaine which was valued as anesthetic but now is just a dangerous illegal drug. Botanists/Ecologists on the other hand are intererested in Erythroxylum as a species not cocaine as a chemical extracted from the plant.

    Chemists cause alot of problems. Botanists and other biologists dont on the other hand. If you aware of Rachel Carlson she wrote a paper about DDT and the effects on organisms at the top of the food chain being unable to reproduce, so obviously chemicals arnt always a good thing for ecosystems. Might be good to get rid of mosquitoes but did more damage to the bald eagles.

    Chemistry has to be the most damaging science.
     
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    At about 1666 MHz,on which OH molecules (those having 1 atom of oxygen bonded to 1 atom of hydrogen) naturally transmit energy. Since H+OH= water.1420 MHz the hydrogen frequency.Maybe, physicists are saying alien life-forms would gather to communicate somewhere between these frequencies.
     
  19. themnax

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    theology

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  20. Rigamarole

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    OP, are you sure you know what science is?
     
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