Israel was leaving Hezbollah rocket launchers intact because

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Larry C. Johnson wrote in his Article Uncomfortable Truths about Israel​

Posted on August 21, 2006.​

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Well, is this true? any comments?​

*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

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Israeli unease grows over conduct of war​

By Ilene R. Prusher | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
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Relevant links:​

Army Uses Israeli Arabs as Shield: MK ​

Israel is Putting Civilians in Danger ​

*Peace and love* ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

Lets just ignore the fact that Syria and Iran provided Hezbollah with thousands of rockets to launch at Israeli cities. Who cares about that?

 

What about the cluster bombs which are illegal that the US supplied Israel with?

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_238023147.html

Something else to ponder:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/opinion/15549043.htm

 

Cluster bombs are not illegal.

And Cat, do you think acting with "statemanship and restraint" means a private army in Lebanon rewarding Israel for withdrawing from the country by assembling a huge arsenal of missiles, launching them at civilian areas by the thousands, attacking Israel to kidnap and kill its soldiers? I don't see statesmanship or restraint in that.

Lebanon is a democratic country. Why should a private army have the right to commit war crimes against its neighbors?

 

They are illegal if used in civilian areas, which was the case in Lebanon.

Lebanon is a democratic nation, and Hezbollah had representation in it political organization and government. Who is the US and Israel to tell them who can be part of their nation/government?

Is every country in the world going to have to clear their politics and government with the ruling neo cons in the US and Israel?

 

How about both sides stop bitching and they all stop shooting each other...

 

I like your solution Fallout.

 

I don't think the use in civilian areas was illegal either. This was not a surprise attack - Israel had give fair warning to all residents that they should clear out. Hezbollah had used these areas to launch rockets at Israeli civilians many times. Having given fair warning, Israel had every right to attack Hezbollah positions.

They aren't telling people who can be part of their nation/government. They just have no obligation to support them. The same thing happened in Austria in 2000 when a neo nazi government was elected - many countries refused to work with them. And there are plenty of Arab regimes which refuse to recognise the existance of the state of Israel itself, regardless of who is elected. I can't see why anyone is obligated to provide aid money to some neo nazi party like Hezbollah just because they are democratically elected. Its like saying disagreeing with someone is opposing free speech - its not.

What is undemocratic is a minority party having its own standing army and using it to attack neighboring countries. Should Ross Perot have had a private army to attack Mexico? Is it really so hard for you to criticise this?

 

I don't think I'll ever be able to change your point of view Pepik, you've bought into the corporate/republican spiel. Hope it works for you. But the old ladies and children that were killed by the bombs probably won't.

 

I guess that's you way of saying you can't refute my points.

Really though, if you care about Lebanon or Palestine, try treating them like adults instead of pretending that a private army launching thousands of rockets AT civilian areas FROM civilian areas is something that needs our understanding and forgiveness. These people can be held responsible for their actions.

Its easy to be a sympathiser and to make excuses for things like that or, e.g. suicide bombing. But neither of these things are helping Lebanon or Palestine, they are hurting them.

 

It's even easier to be an Israeli sympathizer. You can always call foul everytime someone mentions Israel or the Zionist extremists.

How did you feel about Rabin? A Zionist extremist assasinated him. Why? So corporate interests and neo cons could advance their agendas? Hope money brings all of you ultimate contentment, because all it does for the rest of us is kill innocents and keep the world in upheaval.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2849rabin_v_sharon.html

The only real threat to Lebanon and the Palestinians, is the the Zionist wish to control the area. Israel gains water rights by inflicting death and controlling southern Lebanon, and the US corporate big boys control the oil rights of the area.

 

That makes no sense whatsoever. If the US wanted oil rights, they'd be bombing Israel. Please explain how standing by Israel could under any conceivable circumstances help the US get access to oil. You can't.

Again, you seem incapable of criticising Hizbollah. Why? Israel withdrew from Lebanon. So after a withdrawal, a private army acquired thousands of rockets, invades them to capture and kill soldiers, and they when Israel responds they launch the rockets by the thousands at civilians.

Yet somehow it is impossible for you to understand how this is not really in the best interest of the Lebanese people? Please explain to me how countries normally reacts when armies cross their borders and lauch thousands of rockets at their citizens?

 

Perhaps you should look at it from the Lebanese viewpoint when Israel bombed their country's infrastructure and invaded it, killing thousands of innocent civilians. Israel still maintains control of the southern section of Lebanon with the threat of reentry if they deem it necessary.

The US gains rights to oil through invading the area and controlling the oil interests of areas such as Iraq. Or are you going to deny that the US now controls all oil interests in that country.

 

So the Lebanese point of view means pretending that Israel just randomly decided to invade Lebanon for no particular reason? It means we can just pretend that Hizbollah never invaded Israel and killed and kidnapped its soldiers? That we can pretend that thousands of rockets weren't launched FROM civilian areas in Lebanon AT civilian areas in Israel?

This isn't taking the Lebanese point of view, it is eliminating all the facts which are inconvenient. I guess you think Hizbollah are little children that can't be held responsible for their actions?

And who knows what you mean by the US taking oil rights in the context of Israeli troops attacking Hizbollah in Lebanon. I think you are just drifting off into an all encompassing conspiracy. The fact is the US could just abandon Israel and they'd get loads of oil deals. Allying with Israel is the worst possible oil strategy.

And no, the simple fact is Iraqi oil remains nationalised. The US does not control or own any Iraqi oil. Had we been like Russia or China and been friendly with Saddam, there would have been loads of opportunity to sign oil deals. Who do you think is signing them in Sudan right now?

 

Do you or anyone else have hard evidence that Hezbollah operated from civilian locations? Israel has historically wanted to control the southern area of Lebanon, for water rights and expanded territory concerns.

What about the Palestinian civilians killed by Israeli shells while vacationing on the beach? The capture of a few soldiers does not justify the wholesale slaughter of civilians, and bombing of a democratic country's infrastructure.

You are being niave if you think the US does not control the Iraqi oil industry. Perhaps you haven't read Executive Order 13303.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/20030522-15.html

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/preo-a19_prn.shtml

 

You must be one of the very few people who somehow never noticed that Hezbollah was continuously using civilian areas to launch rockets. In fact I think they ONLY used civilian areas. I wonder what news sources you use that carefully screen out this kind of unpleasant truth?

And your executive order proves nothing. Iraqi oil is owned by Iraqis, they sell it and we buy it. Same as for any other country.

 

No one has ever proven that Hezbollah operated out of civilian areas. It's been stated many times over but no one has ever shown definitive proof. In fact most investigations have proven they operated in the outlying areas, past small towns and villages.

The executive order proves that the money for oil program is now controlled by the American government, and outside contractors are assigned and approved by them, and all US corporations that now control the production of oil in Iraq are now without any responsibility either civil or otherwise due to that executive order. Within hours of invading Iraq the US surrounded and protected the Oil Ministry in Bagdad, we did nothing to protect the libraries or museums and hospitals...you tell me where our priorities were.

As to Lebanon it has been proven that the Israelis used US manufactured cluster bombs to intimidate a democratic MidEastern nation.

I definitely don't rely on Fox for my only information. Iraqi oil is controlled by the US: Department of State and Defense. If you have proof otherwise please post a link.

 

I don't get it. You keep providing more and more information, yet none of it proves your point. Iraqi oil is owned by Iraq. Iraq sells it and the money goes to Iraq. halliburton drilling contracts, protecting the oil ministry building, legal liability of american companies operating in iraq - none of this has anything to do with who owns the oil and gets the proceeds of sales. stop giving me irrelevant facts. and referring to Fox news is just a cheap way of saying you have no proof.

i am also still bewildered that you cannot bring yourself to critisize hizbollah for invading israel, attacking and kidnapping soldiers, and then launching thousands of rockets at civilian areas. i guess it is a real tragedy that hizbollah has souch bad neighbors that they get all worked up about being invaded and bombarded by thousands of rockets.

you see the deal in the middle east is land for peace. israel gives up land and gets peace. worked with egypt in the sinai. but when israel left lebanon? hizbollah takes control of the south part of the country, assembles thousands of rockets, and then attacks israel. meanwhile in gaza, which was also recently handed over, militants cross the border to attack israel. kind of screws up the land for peace concept. but there's always sympathisers like you willing to forgive any crime, so long as it is directed at Israel.

if you can't find evidence of hizbollah using civilian areas, you must have very carefully avoided and sources of news where there is a chance of you hearing something you don't like. their is plenty of video, see it for your own eyes.