No change in Earths tempature from 1998-2005

the way we're going we'll end up like the dinosaurs

the american car industry pretty well going this way because they can't even make a car that is even on par with the chinese in efficiency.

 

FatFreddy -
So would I, to be honest. I'm very convinced that the atmosphere IS rapidly warming, but I agree that at this point we can't conclusively PROVE that wer're causing it. However I have a hunch that we are, in the same way that I have a hunch O.J. murdered Nicole Simpson. Yeah, we don't have absolute, ironclad, smoking gun evidence, but the circumstantial evidence is pretty freakin' overwhelming. Here's a couple links off the top of my head:

http://www.ecobridge.org/content/g_evd.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/19/MNGE1BECPI1.DTL
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/Fingerprints.html

I find two really simple facts to be the most convincing:

The first is the rapidity with which the temperatures have risen over the last 100 years. Previous warming/cooling cycles seemed to happen over a much longer timespan. The second is the tremendous majority of scientists who say they're convinced. I know we have to make allowances for groupthink, fad ideas, and political influences, but, basically, I trust the judgement of the scientific community. They're trained to sift and objectively evaluate evidence, and to check each other's research and conclusions. They generally don't jump on the bandwagon of every new idea and fad that comes along, but prefer to study it thoroughly until they're confident of their research & judgement.

You're saying there evidence we're heading into another ice age? I showed you my links. Now show me yours. Come on. Let's see the evidence.

 

I just have two questions:

1. When we take the earth's temperature, who's the guy who does it?

2. Where does he stick the thermometer?

8o)

 

i'm not sure what you think what i'm saying

the american car industry is going the way of the dinosaur. isn't ford laying off 14,000 + workers because they insist on making cars that no one wants to buy? whilst other car makers are making more efficient vehicles, the americans are still wanting to make cars that guzzle expensive petrol and choke the air of the cities.

i think i've read that ford and gm are talking of merging because they're too dumb too make cars that people want!! just imagine if american companies they put all their know how into making into making an efficient car, a car that people want, instead of making products used for bombing foreign countries. (eisenhower warns about industry becoming too involved in wars in his fairwell to the nation at the end of his term as president - i suggest you read and watch this, look it up on google.)

no doubt arguments could be made that all is well in the american car industry in the same way that all is well with our planet. with this thinking the american car industry will be declared bankrupt and the earth as we know it will be screwed.

 

Hey Fat Freddy -

I don't suppose you work for Exxon/Mobil? (lol)

I used to own a throaty-sounding American-made muscle car. It turned out to be a big piece of shit that constantly needed service. The most dependable, long-suffering car I've ever owned was a Geo Metro

 

- That CO2 can shut down the jet stream (really? It can halt the rotation of the Earth?)

i think you mean the gulf stream, the jet stream is an atmospheric phenomenon

just imagine if the oil companies started making renewable energy sources, they'd make more money than pumping up oil.

 

They don't have unions because they don't need unions. Japanese companies don't, as a rule, treat their employees as disposable serfs.

 

meanwhile 2006 was the hottest year on record...

 

Members of the Union of Concerned Scientists and the Government Accountability Project, a legal-assistance group that represents whistle-blowers, told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee about "new evidence of suppression and manipulation of climate science."
The groups said 40 percent of the 279 climate scientists who responded to a questionnaire complained that some of their scientific papers have been edited in a way that changed their meaning. And nearly half said in response to another question that at some point they had been told to delete a reference to "global warming" or climate change from a report.
The committee is looking into allegations of political interference as Congress steps up its examination of the Bush administration's climate policy.


The hearings coincide with the anticipated release of the first phase of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in Paris next week.


The first segment, written by more than 600 scientists and reviewed by another 600 experts and edited by bureaucrats from 154 countries, includes "a significantly expanded discussion of observation on the climate," said co-chair Susan Solomon, a senior scientist for the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. She and other scientists held a telephone briefing on the report last week.


That report will feature an "explosion of new data" on observations of current global warming, Solomon said.


Solomon and others wouldn't go into specifics about what the report says. They said that the 12-page summary for policymakers will be edited in secret word-by-word by governments officials for several days next week and released to the public on Feb. 2. The rest of that first report from scientists will come out months later.


The full report will be issued in four phases over the year, as was the case with the last IPCC report, issued in 2001.


Global warming is "happening now, it's very obvious," said Mahlman, a former director of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab who lives in Boulder, Colo. "When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it's pretty much a no-brainer."

(Hmmm, Gore was right about that editing.:toetap: )

 

I am all for the government keeping track of changes in the enviornment and also starting projects and experiments in order to help maintain the atmosphere. This winter I found myself extremley worried with the changes in the climate and how the seasons seemed to be shifting. I remember when we were little we would get snow half way up our doors and now we go months without a drop of snow?

This seems like a problem to me?

However many scientific experiments and readings are only showing an average of a one degree change in the average temperatures for this time of year over a largeee span of time. Through out history there has been shifts of change in the weather like this, many scientists believe this is just as normal as the others.

Im not saying I necassarily beleive this but this may be true. they still need to figure out what they are going to do to help keep the ozone, but if that is true, that is a pleasant thought.

 

Following up on 2 posts previous - 90% of IPCC scientists believed that a)global warming was happening and b)it was caused by human action.

 

its deffinetly happening from human activity no doubt. but studies are also showing that before the human action that it began...we need some of the fuels in our atmosphere for warmth, an overload is deffinetly going to do damage.