Here's a site that doesn't get posted much, 9/11 Families for a Secure America. They're interested in pragmatic issues related to 9/11, such as the problem of driver's licenses being issued freely to undocumented immigrants. A couple of Senators fought hard to solve this problem but got steam rolled by the interests of business and their desire for cheap labor. You won't find any fringe claims in here about controlled demolition, mini-nukes, thermite, UFOs, holographic mind control, Elvis, etc. Just pragmatic issues. http://www.911fsa.org/ .
Shaggie, you condescending (yet unoriginal) little ignoramous, you can't place a valid conspiracy theory in with UFO's. But for making the attempt, I think you have a good shot at being employed at FOX news. Why not send them your resume? Read this: Representative Of Largest 9/11 Families Group Says Government Complicit In Attack Tells radio host 9/11 Commission a sham, "cover-up beyond belief" Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | July 8 2006 The representative of the largest group of 9/11 families says that the official version of events is a fallacy and that the NORAD stand down and evidence of incendiary devices used to bring down the towers amount to government complicity in the attacks - a conclusion shared by half of the 9/11 families he represents. Bill Doyle heads the Coalition of 9/11 Families and lost his own son Joey in the collapse of the twin towers. "If you want to believe what they want to snow you under on like the 9/11 Commission - that's a total fallacy," said Doyle. "The continuing cover-up is beyond belief," Doyle told GCN radio host Alex Jones. Doyle questioned why WTC steel that was withheld from NIST for examination for explosives was used instead to build a battleship. "Isn't it amazing how they got it out of this country within days," said Doyle as he addressed the cover-up of the physical evidence from a crime scene. Doyle said he had personally talked to six different individuals who were at the World Trade Center site and described incendiary devices before the collapse of the towers. "It's documented proof that tower 7 was not hit by a plane yet it goes up in flames then the owner of the place Larry Silverstein himself ordered it to be pulled at 4 o'clock that afternoon and all of a sudden it exploded straight down." "We have two planes fly into the towers and all of a sudden they get blown up within an hour and a half - that's impossible," said Doyle. Doyle estimated that around half of the family members his organization represents think that there was government complicity in the attacks. "It looks like there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 if you really look at all the facts - a lot of families now feel the same way." "Where was NORAD," asked Doyle as he highlighted the implausible gap between the known hijacking times of Flight 93 and Flight 77 and their eventual destruction. "It was called a step-down - don't do anything - let it happen." "From everything I look at I'm sure there was a lot of complicity - in the least there had to be a lot of complicity - if you read all the facts there's no way that nineteen hijackers carried out this mission," Doyle told Jones. Doyle also spoke out on establishment charities withholding large portions of donations from 9/11 families and how 9/11 whistleblowers have been punished meanwhile individuals who facilitated the attacks were rewarded.
Shaggie has an agenda. He spends most of his time trolling 9/11 boards all across the internet with his establishment rhetoric. You have to wonder if he even has a real job with the amount of time he apparently spends trying to promote and defend the government's "official" version of events, while attacking those questioning them (which includes the families of 9/11 victims). We have to ask ourselves what his true motives are, and who is he working for, if anyone.
The more pragmatic issues are the ones that usually don't get much attention. They take the backside to the more sensational claims that grab people's attention but don't have any real evidence. It would be good if there was a more rational 911 truth movement than the fringe movements that are popular right now. Sensationlists get the attention but they are really damaging the hippie cause by making us look unbelievable. Bush got attention and support initially with his wild but unsubstantiated claims about Iraq, but it damaged him in the long run. .
I need to point out the contradiction in this sentence. Fringe...popular. Something can only be one of those, not both. If it's a fringe movement, it's by definition UNpopular. Please refer back to your infiltration guide. Or request that a new guide be crafted. By the way Shag, what do you think of the 9/11 families who are calling for a new investigation? I noticed that you're somewhat silent on the issue which of course is unsurprising.
I'd like to see a real 911 investigation but the chances are practically hopeless. The best people can do now is to stop going along with the military adventurism that resulted from 911 and push for some real security reforms. Even that's a difficult thing. Look at all the ribbons on people's cars supporting the latest war. We can't even get people to stop supporting the ancillary outcomes of 911 let alone the way the government acted during 911 itself. .
More psychology today from Bush. Now he's mentioned that Bin Laden says Iraq is a major front of the Holy War. So what does that mean? Now we're supposed to support the Iraq war even more because Bush once again claims it's tied in with al Queda? Aren't people getting tired of this crap? 10,000 cilivian deaths this summer in Iraq and many more injured. All this because some ideological groups want to promote their warped agenda and use innocent people as pawns. .
If terrorism was the "big" problem our borders would have been shut down. To me it's obvious that something else was at work that caused 09/11. Or else or Government wouldn't has turned a blind eye to the protection of our country. Why do we still not know the source of the anthrax? Is it because someone knows, and they no longer feel it a threat. Have Mexico and Canada promised that they will prevent it's entry?
I know it was only a few postal workers that died, but Ben Ladin hasn't been captured either, just what have we accomplished in this war against terroism? And who exactly are the terrorists. Is it only muslim countries or extremist that threaten Isreal? Or countries like Iran that risk our ire because they choose to develop nuclear energy to supply their citizens' needs thereby going against the large corporations that seek to supply their energy needs. They might show the rest of the world that there is another way. What happened to the US's nuclear power provision programs...they were shut down, why?
He would know what Bin Laden has to say, because I am sure he knows exactly where he is and is using him to benefit his policies. Sadam never had any dealing with Bin Laden, but now that he is in prision we are supposed to buy into Bin Laden and Bushes claims....think again, I am not stupid. Bush got Bin Laden's family out of the US right after 09/11, when no other planes were flying. http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/binladen/family-exit/binladen-family-flown-out-of-us.txt Big coincidence. If you or I had been involved we'd be sitting in Guantamo bay right now, without any rights or recourse.
Look who we allowed to be made interim oil minister in Iraq. A convicted criminal in Jordan and most of the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Chalabi But US allowed this, but Iraq is supposed to be a democratic state...sure want to sell me a bridge.
