Son of Man

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  1. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    Jesus often calls himself the Son of Man. What does that mean?
     
  2. JLPMGHRS

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    It is a messianic title from Daniel 7.

    "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
    He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. (Daniel 7:13-14)
     
  3. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    But son of man... I just don't understand that wording. Does it just mean the best that men have to offer? Most righteous among men?

    Also, it says A son of man, not THE son of man. So, can there be more than one?
     
  4. Anima_Mercury

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    It means that he is not only the son of God but also born from a human being (incarnation), so he is "divine" but also "human" at the same time.


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  5. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Hi TrippinBTM :)
    I wrote a similar thread some time ago =) here is an opinion:
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    Daniel 7:13 - a verse in which the "Son of man" is presented in Heaven to the "Ancient of Days."An extensive examination of the Old Testament usage of "son of man," however, conclusively establishes that the phrase "son of man" carries no implication of divinity on the part of the person so described. The phrase translated "son of man" in the Old Testament is, invariably, the Hebrew Ben adam (i.e. son of Adam) (Strongs Concordance, Nos. 01121 and 0120) or the Aramaic Bar enash (Strongs Concordance, Nos. 01247 and 0606).
    "Son of man" appears some 109 times in the King James Version of the Old Testament.
    In at least 12 instances, the phrase clearly means "man in general" or "humanity" and refers to no particular person. Examples include:
    Other similar examples appear in Job 25:6 and 35:8, Psalms 8:4 and 144:3, and Isaiah 51:12 and 56:2.
    In the vast majority of instances, however, "son of man" represents a word used in place of the proper name of an individual, like we might, in everyday speech, use "brother," "sister," "buddy" or a like expression in place of the actual name of an individual being addressed or referred to.
    The Prophet Ezekiel (peace be upon him) is addressed by God as "son of man" some 94 times in the King James Version! Some examples:
    In all of the above-referenced passages, "son of man," merely is a phrase standing in the place of the name Ezekiel. God could as easily have said:
    And he said unto me, Ezekiel, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.
    -- OR --
    And he said unto me, Brother, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.
    Rather than what King James quotes the Almighty as saying in Ezekiel 2:1:
    "And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee. (Ezekiel 2:1)"
    The same observation can be made concerning Ezekiel 2:3, 2:8, 3:1, 4:16, 8:5, 12:18, 20:27, or numerous verses I have not bothered to quote: 2:6; 3:3; 3:4; 3:10; 3:17; 3:25; 4:1; 5:1; 6:2; 7:2; 8:6; 8:8; 8:12; 8:15; 8:17; 11:2; 11:4; 11:15; 12:2; 12:3; 12:9; 12:22; 12:27; 13:2; 13:17; 14:3; 14:13; 15:2; 16:2; 17:2; 20:3; 20:4; 20:46; 21:2; 21:6; 21:9; 21:12; 21:14; 21:19; 21:28; 22:2; 22:18; 22:24; 23:2; 23:36; 24:2; 24:16; 24:25; 25:2; 26:2; 27:2; 28:2; 28:12; 28:21; 29:2; 29:18; 30:2; 30:21; 31:2; 32:2; 32:18; 33:2; 33:7; 33:10; 33:12; 33:24; 33:30; 34:2; 35:2; 36:1; 36:17; 37:3; 37:9; 37:11; 37:16; 38:2; 38:14; 39:1; 39:17; 40:4; 43:7; 43:10; 43:18; 44:5; 47:6.
    No one - Christian, Jew or Muslim - claims that the Prophet Ezekiel (peace be upon him) was God, the Son or God or part of the Godhead, yet God referred to him as "son of man,"some 94 times!
    The same is true of the Prophet Daniel (peace be upon him). The Old Testament reports:
    "And it came to pass, when I, [even] I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. And I heard a man's voice between [the banks of] Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this [man] to understand the vision. So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision. (Daniel 8:15-17 (King James Version))"
    Gabriel, thus, addressed Daniel as "son of man."
    Again, no one - Christian, Jew or Muslim - would argue that this form of address proves that Daniel (peace be upon him) was God, the Son or God or part of the Godhead.
    If express address of Daniel and Ezekiel by angels and God himself as "son of man" do not make these prophets part of the Godhead, such references to Issa (peace be upon him) in the New Testament no more establish that Issa (peace be upon him) was divine or part of a Trinity.
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  6. catstevens

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    Jesus said: "And this is eternal life, that they may know Theeè (the father) the only true God" (John 17:3)
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
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    As one poster already pointed out, "Son of Man" refers to Daniel 7:13-14. "Son of Man" here refers to a specific person, namely the one who would be "given authority, glory and sovereign power" and who would be worsphiped by "all peoples, nations and men of every language." It's a specific title for a specific person.

    And for a different poster, "Son of Man" as it refers to this passage is "bar enash" not "bar adam."
     
  9. catstevens

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    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  10. ryupower

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    I believe it means that He is the Son of God AND of man ( or woman... ), so His sacrifice would be acceptable.

    edit: and yeah, what they say...
     
  11. catstevens

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    Here is a similar opinion
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  12. JLPMGHRS

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    a think a few previous posters already got it right. "son of man" is used throughout the Bible to represent mankind in reference to our weakness. It's used in Job and given as a title to Ezekiel.

    It is also used as a distinctive title of the Saviour, Jesus Christ. It shows up in the New Testament numerous times(Jesus Himself refers to Himself as "Son of Man") and it also shows up in the Old Testament in Psalms 80:17 and Daniel 7:13.

    As Jatom pointed out in a previous post, Daniel 7:13 is not talking about an ordinary man. you can see this when you look at the rest of the verses in the chapter.

    Daniel 7:14
    He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

    These are attributes that only God has. God commands that we worship Him and nobody else. "His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." This is language used in reference to God.

    "Son of Man" communicates His humanity. He took on human flesh but was the Son of God. I like how Easton's Bible Dictionary explains the title: "It denotes the true humanity of our Lord. He had a true body and a rational soul. He was a perfect man."
     
  13. MollyBloom

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    BTM, Yes, there is the specific figure of the Son of Man coming on the clouds in Daniel.

    But interestingly enough, in the book of Ezekiel, God calls the prophet a son of man, but the NRSV (New Revised Standard) version of the Bible translates this word as "mortal." The terminology "sons of" is just a translation issue in translating the Hebrew to English. For instance, everywhere you see the word Israelites in the Old Testament, in the Hebrew it actually says "the sons of Israel." So a son of man can just be a mortal: a man: a human figure.

    Of course, Christians made a single figure out of this "son of man" by focusing specifically on the prophecy of one son of man in the book of Daniel, which was one of the last books added to the Jewish canon.
     
  14. Jatom

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    In Ezekiel Son of Man is "bar adam" in Daniel it's "bar enash" two different things.
     
  15. catstevens

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    So, Is it about Jesus (pbuh=peace be upon him) second coming? or what exactly?
    And He isn't and never claimed so.
    Jesus said: "And this is eternal life, that they may know Theeè (the father) the only true God" (John 17:3)
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    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
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    Jesus does claim to be God.

    John 10:30
    Then the Jews threaten to stone him for saying he is God. John 10:33

    I can go on and on with scriptures supporting this. But, this isn't what the thread is about.
     
  17. catstevens

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    JOHN 10:31-33: Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not;but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man,makestthyself God.[*that's what they think, e.g. A: I'm leaving, B: why? A: because You, an ordinary man, make Yourself out to be Philosopher]."Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [*So, are they really literally gods? Keep reading to know who gods are?] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, [*those are gods, but that doesn't make them gods literally, The word of God came unto Jesus right, so he is god as well, he clarified to them with a scriptural example which is well known to them that he was using the metaphorical language of the prophets which should not be interpreted as ascribing divinity to himself, besides that Also in the biblical language, the term God is used metaphorically to indicate power , for example, Exodus 7.1: KJVAnd the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet,if I'm wrong, please clarify]
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    Qur'aan:[020:114]... and say: "My Lord! Increase me in knowledge."
    Amen.
    you already gave me a list before.



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    Yours Sincerely,
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  18. JLPMGHRS

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    Jesus did claim do be God. As a Jew who was well versed in Scripture, Jesus knew what these claims meant, as did the Jews who wanted to stone Him, as we can see.​


    Earlier in John, Jesus uses the very words that God uses to reveal Himself to Moses from the burning bush(Exodus 3:14)​
    John 8:58-59 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.​


    Another example is when Jesus is before the Chief Priests and Sanhedrin. Caiaphas the High Priest questions him:​


    But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" "I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven." The high priest tore his clothes. "Why do we need any more witnesses?" he asked. "You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?" They all condemned him as worthy of death. ​
    (Mark 14:61-64)​

     
  19. Anima_Mercury

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    Are you sure you're a muslim? You so look like a Christian follower... you gather so much precise knowledge on the Bible and Christ's life! :)

    Good Catstevens! Well done! :) oh, btw I did you like my present? ;)

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  20. catstevens

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    I don't think so, and you can stone someone to make him leave and stop talking when he refuses to do so or to leave.
    I don't think so, I already discussed that in this thread
     

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