is the government watching you?

yes it F***ing is - if you have a firewall or other monitoring devices that can trap ip addresses which try to connect to your computer - look at this list of government ip addresses - cia - fbi - mossad - nsa etc etc etc
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread36827/pg1

look at the logs of connected computers
if you protest loudly in forums they are watching! believe me !!! i monitor this stuff
and would know


edited in later - infact, sod it, I am going to block the entirety of the United states web addresses from being accessed or from accessing my computers
with a VERY FEW exceptions
Infact I think I will block my networks from accessing or being accessed by any U.S. computer wheteher government or not - I dont need them or their crap Junta to preside over what I can or cannot say - I have 50 entries in my firewall logs (in 2 days) where the U.S government is scanning the ports on my computers for data and access points - I dont need the USA - their policies stink

 

i hope that the various crackpots that line the halls of security services are reading this stuff. it wouldn't be unlikely that various agents would be monitor this stuff, just look at the chinese they patrol the chinese internet with their own sharks to stop free speech. i'm sure the KGB do as well.

the security services perform a very blunt service for any government, they simply kill anyone who doesn't agree with the government, they kill scientist, teachers , housewives etc etc. the history of the world doesn't paint a very glorious picture of these characters. isn't it known as the worlds second oldest profession? the funniest thing about these characters is that they eventually get screwed by their own employers - unless they come from the correct socio economic strata. i feel sorry for them really.

 

I know for I fact I've been targeted with tracking software, and had to really jump through some hoops to get rid of it.

 

Let's throw them off track somehow. :H Anybody have any ideas? Let's sabatage their whole plan against us!

 

They are like some kind of plagu. Same situation on whole world. Probably special agencies make on this big money. I don't think that anybody can find some solution. So ... F**k THEM ALL|!!!

 

unfortunately for the uk the system is reverting to the old feudal system and as the system is breaking down to devolve to the feudal system social upheaval and chaos reigns.
the security services are rife with all kinds of subversives and fifth columnists. they hold no allegiance the the uk.
for the average punter (with an 100+ IQ) in the uk the choice is clear stay in the chaos or leave.

 

nice try guy, but really in honesty I can tell you the secret services of the UK are not full of subversives, LOL If only they were, no they really do believe in parliamentary democracy. here take a peek http://www.mi5.gov.uk
They work extremely closely with the US government and its secret services. GCHQ is the equivalent of the USA's NSA they are communications specialists. All global communications are routed through the Echelon project, that is ALL GLOBAL COMMUNICATIONS. The Echelon project has stations in all the English speaking countries and places like Japan (I beleive some of the south East Asian countries such as taiwan but I may be mistaken).
Gardener is right, they do have top notch hackers and scripters who do actively break into your computer systems if the Echelon devices pick up any indication that you are communicating on subjects which they find sensitive. I can only suggest you look into what the Echelon project is and link it to the NSA and GCHQ as you search. I would also suggest that you read the arguments about the Bush administration and how it has been illegaly tapping into the USA's landline and mobile communications as well as emails and web traffic

You are correct about the secret services being a class system, in Britain the establishment only really trusts those from a white middle-class English background. To be trusted you must be recruited at a top university and to have been educated as a child at a top school.

 

Keep your firewalls up and don't think you won't have to wipe your disk from time to time. Not that anyone I've met here is a threat from where I sit. But ask too many questions that are politically inconvenient and you may be targeted.

 

Almost certainly. Many people will not believe me when I tell them my computer security logs are full of hits from military and haliburtons sites. You could try keeping these people out but a hardware firewall wont do it, you know like a cisco or netgear router firewall as the UK and USA government insisted last year that all security hardware have a "backdoor" that government agencies can exploit. (if anyone insists on it I will make a link to that info) Get your old computer and make a decent firewall yourself using Linux or better, some really obscure OS its really the only way

 

if only these people would go and do something more constructive with their time.

i suspect that the intelligence services are very good at lying to people, i hardly think that they would lay out their true feelings about anything. i say let the tree be known by its fruit. i hardly think that the WMDS info they were touting and supporting was serious or truthful, then there was the problem of whats his face the whistleblower - dr kelly and his "suicide". you'll find that alot of people have been "suiciding" in the uk. from the uks present course on alot of things it is painfully obvious that the services have been infiltrated, its been done before you know!! no , i find alot of things very hard to believe these days.

 

Wow I like that saying a lot, "let the tree be known by its fruit". Sorry I thought origonally you were just laughing at the idea that the services would be interested in anyone who posted on a forum. I see that you already know its true and were trying to say something else. I know many people who have shown me logs from the firewall that are from the military scanning ports. My GF reminded me that though I might not take seriously the idea that a government has the right to do those things, unfortunately the government and military is all too serious about their mission, and if any fool treads on there toes they are liable to be burnt. I didnt think so a while back, but i do now. Obviously, as you highlight well I know of the kelly suicide but what others are there? I am interested in this because during the 1980's an IT proffessionals trade magazine called Computer Weekly reported that some programmers who worked for the MOD as contractors were all mysteriously found dead after they completed the project. One had been found inside his car dead and had apparently put a rope round his neck and drove the car until the rope ripped his head off. Others had jumped off cliffs or hung themselves etc. since then I know that assassinations take place. It is only recently anything like evidence of this has emerged in the UK with the advent of the Kelly case

 

yes they were the marconi scientists

they were working for the navy i think
theres been other people killed before - a cnd supporter rutherford i think, an old lady
theres probably thousands of other crimes against humanity

the world is gripped with a madness, perhaps its all actually an alien lunatic asylum??

the security services normally kill people with direct links to organisations or prominant people such as princess diana. old ladies and the ira they're all the same to the security services. thankfully i don't live in the uk anymore, and i have no plans to return, good luck them i say, let them carve their little empire. if it keeps them happy busy killing their own people theres very little i can do about it, "thats just their bag baby" as austin powers would say, hey wasn't he a spy??

 

i suppose we should be thankfully for the fact that we haven't been arrested for talking about this. china is busy arresting people posting stuff on forums. i suppose its all just a matter of time for us ?

 

I am urging my GF to see my way of thinking and leave this place.
I want to go somewhere that I do not speak the language so that I can ignore the crummy politics of the national government. The queen only reigns through an accident of birth. I am only here because my parents lived here. Theses people have no more right of government administration than I do. At least if I move to another country I will not have to suffer the idiocy of this blatant rip-off. The people in the UK are morons for putting up with these gangsters in charge. I am going to leave here before the end of the decade
Unless they kill me first or stop migration through police state tactics.
I hope that hackers get together and blow the gaff on those jerks in government and the services and the civil service

 

Interesting links:

http://www.democrats.org.au/speeches/index.htm?speech_id=245&display=1

About Australian laws, allowing ASIO to delete and alter remote computer data at will, it raises the issue of crooked hackers being able to plant evidence.

http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2002/Nov/0042.html

I never knew such groups existed, but this is about a "Hacktivist" group, persons using their hacking skills to fight government monitoring/blocking in the name of free speech.

I had a question by the way, I have a Firewall that notifies me every time a remote computer attempts to connect with my own. Can government computers still hack in, undetected, or does the firewall block any and all attempts?

 

Very interesting links indeed
My browser wouldnt open the second one - not sure why
will try again later
However, the Australians seem to have a more decent set of principles than
a lot of other countries if they have only just started debating the powers of their services. The US and UK are to all intents and purposes, and ID card short of a police state

 

democracy is still to some extent alive and kicking in australia

it is kept propped up by the thoughts and actions of educated people
the education has not been completely destroyed as in the uk and us, ie the majority still receive tuition.

the uk learnt many moons ago that if you destroy the education system you can quite happily keep an entire population ignorant and under the thumb which is essentially a feudal system. people with brains flee that country. the uk is somewhere you go to observe history and the dangers of power mad governments because they kept records of the madness and many places where key events happened still exist. foreigners are attracted to the uk/usa because it is somewhere they can make money and then go home to more stable climes.

in some way the uk / us are like rome, they have extensive records and commen tary rather like the romans through its writers such as plutarch etc, they have a history of invasion and empire. the past dictates the future.

there is much you can learn from their history. if you are trapped in the uk uneducated and poor it would be better to move away.

 

Cut term 'sedition' from laws: inquiry
2:35 PM September 13
seen on optus news

An inquiry has recommended the term 'sedition' be dropped from the Federal Government's new legislation, which is included under the anti-terrorism Act.
The result of the Australian Law Reform Commission's five month inquiry into the sedition laws has been tabled in Parliament today.

The commission's president, David Weisbrot, says getting rid of the word 'sedition' is among 27 recommendations in the review.

"Most of the public submissions we received were concerned more about the idea of sedition that the actual content of the legislation," he said.

"But we've also made a number of recommendations to refine the existing law.

"To have a brighter line between what's permissible free speech, and that includes a lot of confronting communication, and what should be the subject of the criminal law."

Mr Weisbrot says there is a feeling that the use of the term 'sedition' is misleading.

"We've shifted a long way from the old-fashioned sedition laws, which really punish critical speech to laws now which only punish urging unlawful use of force or violence," he said.

Source: ABC

 

Yeah, I think that was music to a lot of Australian's ears when the government showed some basic common sense on the whole. A good week for democracy eh?

Just when we thought there was no other way we could go but:

 

Well I disagree with the notion that its a feudal system, but agree with the conclusions you make. that is precisely what they have done. They were origionaly concerned with the education and welfare of the people till they sussed out the people had cottoned on to their scam and then they wrecked the economy during the thatcher years and built it back up with the people less dependent on the state but more dependent on bosses who are paying less and lees to workers as time goes on.
Its not so much a nightmare we woke up from as a nightmare we are waking up to


oh I get it - at first I thought it said "who would bomb jesus"
I was going to write - I would