We must give up the freedom to steal in order to leave the state of nature. It is the only way to protect our natural right to property.
Thats good - as you are a communist I suspect you are coming over to a more anarchist sentiment. So long as you do not believe in a period of socialism between the overthrow of the state and the establishment of a communism - you and I shall get on famously.
I view a period of socialism between the overthrow of the state and the establishment of communism as a necessesity. First the current government must be overthrown, followed by dictatorship of the proletariat (as opposed to dictatorship of the bourgeoisie), then democratic socialism (not proletarian bonapartism, the proletarians must have the power and be put in control), and with reforms under the new socialist state we can begin to fix problems of capitalism and prepare for communism. We can't go from this to a stateless, moneyless, and classless society. Its going to take decades and decades, maybe even a century or two from the moment the proletarians put themselves into power.
you'll never get past the "dictatorship of the proletariat".dictatorship of the proletariat means poor and opressed people getting in positions of absolute power.once they get used to it,those people will never give up power and lower their privileges to that of people living a decent life.people are meaner and more selfish animals than you think. a dictatorship can't be opposed to another dictatorship,because they are all the same. internet is not a necessity,it's a luxury.you have internet.you are a "bourgeoise".you have a revolutionary spirit,but you target yourself. marx's theory is flawed from it's premises.people won't work unless they have to.working will never be a "vital necessity".eating,finding shelter,reproducing and getting a social status in the pack are vital necessities.with these satisfied,people tend to lay around. the only way to achieve working communism is through serious brainwashing,or brainfrying with huge doses of LSD.and i'm pretty sure that's more immoral than slavery. quit reading marx and the sorts. if you really like reading political material,try Orwell's "Animals farm",or Paul Goma's "The cubic egg".but i'd recommend Nikos Kazantzakis' "Alexis Zorba" ("Zorba the Greek"). trust me,dude.i know first hand what "dictatorship of the proletariat" and violent overthrow of a government means.that beats any book.and it's not a pretty experience.you need to seriously reconsider your ideeas. MARX WAS AN IDIOT,AND IT HAS BEEN PROVED BY HISTORY.
the state of nature it a superior state to the state of soverignty. nor is stealing, in the sense i am understanding is implied, an artifact of nature, but only of human coerciveness. the capitolist myth is that anyone wants to do nothing, and thus requires the incentive of trying to impress each other. when people hide from their own desires to create and explore, it is because that desire has been perverted or frustrated, or to knowingly avoid perpetuating the causes of suffering and harm. the only reasons for communities to exist, or ever have existed, is to facilitate people being able to help each other out. this is the only reason for social organization in any form to ever exist. sadly it is seldom the foundation of existing soverignties, reguardless of idiology. nor does social organization require formal structures of hierarchal soverignty, however much infrastructure might requre something resembling social organization or the comfort zones we are emotionaly attatched to require certain forms of tangable infrastructure. give a person the tools with which to be creative, and if their spirits have not already been murdered, they will find the greatest happiness there is =^^= .../\...
First of all, you don't know what I think. The dictatorship of the proletariat means simply the masses rising up and taking power, then reversing the inequalities created by Capitalism. The dictatorship of the proletariat is where the poor oppressed people take the power and use it to benefit themselves as a whole. Don't preach to me about human nature. Humans are selfish, so why do the masses let their masters steal from them all the time? Why does Donald Trump have over a billion dollars while tens of millions of people in the United States alone don't have health care. This is humans working for their own personal gain on a new level, that level is everyone. They just need to be mean enough to stop taking this shit from their masters. The dark side and the good side of human nature are both going to progress the revolution. That is why we Marxists say that the liberation of the proletariat must be the work of the proletariat itself, because some small group of people will abuse the power, so the propetariat (the majority of the people on Earth) must put the power into their own hands. No, they aren't. When we say dictatorship of the proletariat, we mean the masses taking control. Its the difference between dictatorship of a minority (capitalism) and dictatorship of the majority (communism). Thinking is a luxury, and of course the internet is a luxury. I, however, am not bourgeoisie or a bourgeois. I simply don't fit the definition. The bourgeoisie are the oppressors, or those who profit off the labor of others. The last time I checked, I don't own anything and don't have anyone working for me. My parents sell their labor, and I too will have to sell my labor in the future. Do you understand what you're talking about? Obviously you don't. If people didn't work, then we wouldn't have those things. Of course people would be working in communism. People aren't that stupid. It wouldn't be a free ride, and assuming that it would be is stupid. Its actually pretty simple. You'd be required to work 'x' hours (this is after we have gotten rid of money). We'd know how many hours everyone would need to work through realitistic measurements (we'd make a science of it). What the hell are you talking about? I think not. I'll keep reading Marx. No, I don't, and I doubt you do. You've come across to me as being incredibly ignorant, but so are many other people. I really feel like replying to you was a waste of time.
in communism there is no need to steal. And it will work becuase people are selfish. Rather than opressing people to get what you want, you will work together to get what you want.
That's not very open-minded. You know, the more you gather different opinions from different people, the more your opinion is worth, I think. Plus it will be truly yours and not just something your read in Marx's book.
