Why is the muslim faith under attack?

Discussion in 'Islam' started by Columbo, Jul 26, 2006.

  1. Columbo

    Columbo Senior Member

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    If you have a look at all the war zones in the world by far the majority of them involve muslims fighting against some other force in one way or another. I cant believe that with such a high proportion of war zones since WW2 that muslims are not to blame in at least some instances. We all know its easy to say "but they are not real muslims" yeah right just like the IRA werent real catholics over in Ireland. So whats the lo down - Is the muslim faith under attack - if so why?
    or is the muslim faith on the attack and again I ask, if so - why?
     
  2. mr.morrison

    mr.morrison Senior Member

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    america is always over there cause we want their oil. and because we are over there the basic american citizen thinks that america is the good guys and muslims are the bad. and because most are ignorant they have become prejudice towards something they dont know anything about. just like in WW2 average americans hated the japanese people. and israel is attacking muslims because they hate all muslims for a bunch of bull shit reasons. so yes, i think its under attack, but diddnt start out that way. ignorant people turned it into that.
     
  3. Columbo

    Columbo Senior Member

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    But not all muslims live in oil rich countries - Pakistan for example
    Yet in the dispute between india and pakistan they often threaten nuclear war with each other. There are maps online showing where there are wars and battles of one kind or another at the present time - and nearly all involve muslim forces of some kind. Its not a case that everyone hates muslims is it - after all this is the faith that threatened to bomb people cuz of a cartoon. Maybe its just too easy to offend muslims and they need to desensitise a bit?
     
  4. mr.morrison

    mr.morrison Senior Member

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    i dont know. i think a big part about it is that muslims are so bent on making the entire world muslim and all the govts being theocracys. and they wont settle for anything less. they threatened to bomb people because for them, its a sin to have any illistration or something of mohammed. which i think its wrong that they get so upset when someone insults them but they have no problem when christians, jews, or hindus are insulted. but thats not gonna change.

    and im talking about the muslims in the middle east here, not about american muslims
     
  5. Psychopsilocybin

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    Well they're not "real Muslims".

    The very meaning of a Muslim is one who submits to God, and God(Allah in arabic)'s will. Yes, that is the actual translation into English of the meaning of a person who is "Muslim", which only means "One who does god's will", worships God, etcetera.

    Now if you believe that God condones unnecessary war and terrorism, then you believe that these people are "true Muslims". If that's your perception of what God is.
     
  6. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Columbo
    Majority? howevea
    Always ask yourself these two questions:
    1. Were they practicing Islam?
    2. was there a reason? or do you want them to turn their other cheek?
    yeah, the prophet (pbuh) prophesied about it, there are many reasons, you know islam is an obstacle to many others' goals + islam is attacked by other religions as well, (spreading false info about it you know such info will make ppl don't embrace Islam, hate it besides other reasons)
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  7. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Columbo
    US' Poodles in many ways , read more
    First point: Does Islam teach bombing ppl cuz of a cartoon, that is the question,
    Second point: can I say: Judaism is the faith that waged war on an entire country (killing innocent and civilians , bombing bridges) cuz of capturing 2 soldiers =)
    They have to deal with it properly. Not making things worse.
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  8. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    mr.morrison
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    Some threatened not All (very few) + that wasn't the main reason!!!!!!
    1. they get so upset when someone insults (Their holy things-sacred-prophets etc)
    2. Do Christians, Jews or hindus get so upset when Muslims are insulted?
    *We have to respect each other, other's feelings, it is better to do so, when you insult somebody's wife , he may kill you, and this is wrong, Our prophet and religion is more important than everything, than our souls.

    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  9. Columbo

    Columbo Senior Member

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    Essentially I think the muslims are involved in a lot of these wars because
    their governments sell the political agenda disguised as faith. They do not
    separate politics from religion though the western world rid itself of
    theocracy around 400 years ago for that very reason - The people were sick of being told what to think
    the muslim world has not yet fully taken advantage of the idea of a state
    separated from faith. Politics is separate from religion in the west so we
    do not understand a theocracy any more - to us it is an outdated
    outmoded form of government - one which will not adapt and therefore is
    stagnant

    I must add in fairness that I am whole heartedly against religion of all forms
    but I respect the right of people to practice it - as long as they respect my right to advocate removing religion from society altogether. However we all
    know that while I believe in freedom of speech religions do not.
    There is no muslim state where I can stand in a park advocating the end of
    the islamic faith without fear of harm to myself - yet in the UK I am still able to attract an audience if I so wish and advocate both an end to religion and an end to parliamentary democracy
    It seems to me that religion is the excuse but politics is the agenda
     
  10. Iconoclast

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    Not the US' fault. If you want to blame somebody, then blame Britain for colinization. Actually blame Britain, then Pakistan and East Pakistan for just having to have a seperate state from India, and then blame Pakistan and India for not being able to solve their disputes over the last 50+ years.

    How many soliders can be kidnapped until Israel gains the right to defend their border?
     
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    and yet, theocracy exists deep in the heart of the western world centering around the vatican. and israel is a theocracy!
     
  12. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Columbo
    What! hahaha, you are talking about who? which governments! read more about them, they even sell wine, alcohol publicly:rolleyes: there is no Islamic government, yeah maybe Iran & Suadi Arabia somehow, I think they aren't following every teaching of islam. Read more;)
    And did that bring positive results! mmm Nudity, invading, Wars, etc and yeah you have to take a look at least at this
    Again, (Muslims' states ARE separated from faith) Read more
    Dear freedom of Speech IS A LIE, I already posted many examples in many of my posts ! Read more
    Existence of Islam means my existence, Question: Do you think you can stand in Hyde Park and criticize or give other POV concerning the Holocaust without fear of harm to yourself? or maybe advocating the end of Secularism! Read more Dude;)
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,

    Cat Stevens

     
  13. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Did I blame US? I said a fact , they are poodles,
    BTW If anyone thinks that these problems in Pakistan because of islam, I ask? is Pakistan practicing islam? When you become US' poodle, it goes without saying you aren't practicing Islam.
    you mean to defend stolen-invaded border
    Regarding the two soldiers
    Some say they didn't kidnap them:


    So it was a battle, completely justified, that what happens in the battles
    Other source says:
    Do you know about Israel's frequent violations of Lebanese airspace :rolleyes: ,was the recent or the latest clash a response to one of their violations but a lATE one? Hezbollah Founded to resist Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982, and they still doing so, I mean foiling any other attempts , what do you consider these attempts and violations? Don't answer cuz I don't care
    Hezbollah Founded to resist Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982 , WITH OUT THEM ISRAEL WILL INVADE SOUTHERN LEBANON JUST AS IT DID BEFORE, AND HEZBOLLAH RETOOK IT
    BTW th president of lebanon who is a Christian backs Hezbollah.
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  14. Iconoclast

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    96% of Pakistan's population is Muslim. A country is nothing more than it's people and their practices.

    Yes, it's their border. I'm glad we are in agreement. That still doesn't answer the question.
    You would have bothered typing if you don't care.


    Israel gave it back as part of a peace accord that has never been honored by Lebanon. In Lebanon's defense, it is incapable of enforcing said accord. That's why they are calling for International Peace Keepers. Oddly enough, no one has voluntered yet, as far as I've heard.
    Proof positive that stupidity knows no single religion.
     
  15. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Iconoclast
    So, the point? whateva

    Invded-stolen border
    Are we?
    Which question?
    Try to get me, '' Keep the answers for ya '' I was just reminding ya
    ahahaha HAHAHA
    [​IMG]
    David stole my car, he gave it back to me notbecause he wanted so, Nah, but as part of a peace accord (Which my family Sponsored it :p ) Oh, THIS SHOULD be honored​
    Peace keepers, or forces international or whateva, read what they did before in Lebanon.
    Does the terrorist Bush support the idea, if so, they have to reject it =P



    And that's why it is stupidity probably =P

    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  16. Iconoclast

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    I take it you're not real into recent history. Israel left Lebanon in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 425 (a bit late, okay very late, but they did it). No force outside of Israel in the middle east is currently capable of forcing Israel to give up land, especially Lebanon. I guess that's why Lebanese forces are having such a difficult time slowing the current Israeli incursion. Israel will leave when they wish this time, as well. Sadly, Lebanon was just starting to get their shit together. Probably why Iran turned up the heat; it's not in their interest to have a stable state on Israel's border.​
     
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    Actually, the idea came from Lebanon's president. Dubyah now supports the idea as do many in Israel. It's the UN, so it's bound to fail miserably.
     
  18. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Try to get me, grasp it man:H
    Again: Does the terrorist Bush support the idea, if so, they have to reject it :p
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  19. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    I turn on a news channel and I can only stand it for a few moments. This is disgusting. It's as though the fundamentalist Christians have teamed with Israel to destroy anyone they do not like, and they have started with the women and children of Islam.

    I am sickened. CatStevens, you have my sympathies.
     
  20. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Zoomie
    Evangelicals unite for Israel 7/26/2006 9:00:00 PM GMT Source

    [​IMG]Thank you very much brother
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
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