We are not addicted to oil.

I never said I cant see them used to haul something large. I said I cant recall seeing them used for that. My point was that I rarely see them used for anything other than solo commuting. Im happy for you that you are biased towards them for no apparent reason. I and many others see them as large wasteful unnecessary impractical vehicles responsible (not solely but largely) for eating up a non-renewable (not in our lifetime anyway) natural resource at a profoundly alarming rate.

 

Well, my bias is for a reason, you see, where I live people do use them for jobs and such. You can see them for what you see them as, but I don't see them that way.

 

Im happy for you that you have a bias towards them. More horsepower to you.

You said something interesting a few posts ago:

Is this to suggest that those that use an SUV for solo commuting to work are using it wrong? Was the guy with the Yukon I originally posted about (the post that drew your ire) using it wrong?

 

I don't know that addicted is the right term--the use of oil has evolved from lanterns, used in the 1800s,early 1900s ,before this country became really to depend on the auto or truck to get just about everything done in our society.Personally,I think it's pretty complex,the modern complexity arising from the bullshit that those who wish to sell their products to the zombies (us)with ridiculous ads everywhere,but mostly on that darling little agent of wall street--the TV.Buy a new car=get more puss.Drink our beer=get more puss,buy our clothing=you know.It's so crass and obvious ,that it is really hard to understand how humans can be so stupid.As far as the car manufacturers,they are about as conservative as it comes.For example:we see the figure of approximately 50,000 killed in car crashes every year here in the U.S.Now look at the way race cars are designed.Roll bars,side,back and front heavy duty protection for the driver.You can't tell me the auto makers couldn't start with a super strong cage onto which they could build a beautiful and funtional machine.Nooooooo--too costly.Same with our school buses that coud be fixed to save children.There has to be some kind of collusion between the oil companies and the auto makers--isn't there?Why don't they just start putting out electric cars NOW?Or why don't they increase mileage to 60 -70 mpg?Probably some of you read about G.M recalling some electric vehicles recently and crushing them?Obviously ,the main problem is people being able to be led so easily.What if NO_ONE and I mean NO_ONE bought any new vehicles next year?Then we'd see some immediate and important changes.Never happen.Sorry--have to go back to the stupidity and fantasy filled minds of ,and the motivations of those who control--well--us --to find the answer for this one.But one thing I will guarantee--when the oil does run out--the ones who are making the big bucks on it--will own ALL the alternative energy sources if they don't already.It's the way of the modern world,unfortunately.

 

I'm sayin if they never haul anything they are using it wrong. But because you see someone commuting with it doesn't mean they don't carry stuff with it later.

 

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Where are most American consumers educated? American public schools? Oh...

 

And aren't plastics made from oil?

 

Not hammering on ya man just adding to what your thinking. The cages in the race cars only work because the drivers are in a five point harness, with a helmet etc. Without that stuff when the super-reinforced car stops instantly in the crash the human body becomes a missle inside the car and is thereby killed. many of the old cars like 58 Buicks and Pontiaks and stuff WERE great big reinforced super cars but the occupants suffered higher death and injury tolls because there were no buckle zones on the car and there were no restraints in the car. When the super cars came to a sudden stop in a crash the unrestrained occupants became "meat missles" inside them. Add to that steel dashboards, non collapsing steering wheels and such and they were just plain dangerious.
I am cool with everthing else you wrote but thought I would add that tid bit.

 

im sorry if this has been posted already, but here is the kicker to the whole urban SUV argument. http://www.sprayonmud.com thats right, now your SUV oor jeep can have that 'rugged' look without all that fussing about in nature.
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hhahahahaa

 

Here is how electroysized alternative hydrogen fuel works :

First.. 4stroke combustion engines work by intaking gasoline and 02, compressing the fuel and gas, igniting it, and sending it out exhuast pipe.

Sending an electrical current through ionized water (Water can be ionized with table salt) causes H20 molecules to be split apart into H2 -- Hydrogen gas and O2 -- Oxegen, if water is split apart quick enough it can create enough hydrogen and oxegen gas to be filtered into your car's cylinder's ( Preferable a desiel ) engine and can combust with far more engery then gasoline can. The paradox of this is that you have to imput more engery into the system then it exports, but apparently some people have found ways todo this -- still in the air and disputed. So, instead of bickering about how evil gasoline is, drive your SUV over to the library or the labraotory and reseach one of the NUMEROUS efficent altnerative fuels that are out there.

 

Well, unfortunately, most alternative fuel sources like this don't work, they aren't efficient.

 

They work just fine actually, some need perfection though.

 

No, they don't work because you can't break even.

 

I would like to see fedupamerican, irish drunkard, cheesewiz, and barter mama park there cars for a month. Thats right, ride a bike, take public transportation, arrange a ride from a friend / co-worker. Let me guess....you can't. Oh I have to do this...I have to do that...there is just no way...
Yes, there is a way. It's just to inconvenient. until you are willing to make a sacrifice yourself then quite your bitchin'
FYI...being to poor to own a car doesn't count!

 

i am definately addicted to oil. I have a great bike set-up with trailer, the weathers beautiful, but I still drive my car to the grocery store which is only 10 blocks away. Why? convience, the illusion of time. I am trying to get better, but it takes awhile to change bad habits.
SUV's are getting better, I never thought i'd say that trust me. But I just went to compare mileage so I'd have facts for the argument I was planning on making against them & they get about the same mileage/gallon as some V6 sedans. & the 4 cyl. SUV got even more.
What we need to do is look at the individual vehicles we are choosing to buy & making sure they are emission & mileage friendly.
The problem is that people aren't caring enough to do that.

 

I'm from a suburb of Chicago in a more upper-class town. Some of these moms with their one child, maybe two, haul them to practice and school in SUVs that dwarf the Hummer. They don't do heavy-duty anything, they don't go off-roading, they don't have a huge family. My uncle owns an enormous Lincoln Navigator, yet lives with just his wife. He drives it solo, as most suburbanites do.

It's really annoying to see all these people driving such wasteful cars and throwing money towards gas, especially when they could have a sedan or a smaller SUV. It's crazy and it's absolutely terrible in suburbia. And if they are hauling something, it's usually a jet-ski or snowmobile - two or three times a year.

 

We're not addicted to oil.

We're forced to rely on oil and all we can do is hope within all our consumer hearts that prices will fall and we can actually make it home from work...

 

Where did that come from? If you can point out to me where I suggested that everyone should give up their cars, I'll gladly give mine up.

All I said was that many SUV drivers mistakenly believe that they are entitled to unlimited cheap oil because they believe humanity's very survival depends on it.