Look, the family court that granted the divorce for this couple is the one that has jurisdiction in this case regarding visitation. That's where this problem needs to be taken and addressed, not that I've got any confidence in the outcome of it, rather than passing more laws. Legally, that court is the one that has jurisdiction in this matter. You still haven't said why these people haven't taken this to that court. If they don't do that, passing more laws isn't gonna solve anything.
Its in the courts.. but understand these are the same courts that let the bio mom of the 7 year old to keep doing what she was doing and letting her still have visits.. The courts here are very big on Bio parents being in the childrens lives, even when they are neglecting them The courts dont like to take the say of a 2 year old, even though she has communicated this with, 2 dr's, 3 nurses, 1 cys lpn, 1 cys caseworker and the mother.. Our court system sucks!! So maybe a public outcry can help.. I dont know, I am grasping at straws this is the innocents of a 2 year old..
Exactly! And that's not gonna change if they've got more laws to enforce than they do now. I'm my son's 'bio' parent, and I was literally a model father, never doing any harm to my son at all, never even spanking him-and my wife demonized me in the damned court system, with nothing but purely trivial allegations, with no opportunity for me to even defend myself. The court didn't even care what was true and what wasn't-the system in Texas doesn't even allow for them to. And you want to give the courts more laws to enforce so that they can screw things up even more? Forget it.
You know, so many of these things are moral and spiritual problems. Hell, the people that run the court system don't even have any morals themselves. It's just a big, money making entity run by people who, for the most part, don't have the morality of a cockroach. It's been proven that AT LEAST 135 people were sentenced to death in this country who were later proven by advocacy groups using DNA evidence to be not guilty-and many of these people aren't even around anymore. And the court system did everyting it could to fight the truth coming to light about it. You think they care about what happens to that little girl or who's guilty or innocent? No friggin' way.
DQ I am truly sorry you went through this.. I truly am.. but tell me.. Should I throw in the towel and fail her as a parent? I cant do it..
No, you shouldn't throw in the towel, of course not. I'm just saying that passing more laws for an evil court system to enforce isn't gonna solve the problem. Where is the morality in all this? Does this guy (the father) literally have so few morals as to not care what happens to his own little children? Obviously people like him are the ones that are 'dangerous'-but the problem is that the courts are run by people that don't have any morals either, and don't care who's dangerous and who isn't. It really is a mess.
I agree with you and its people like you and I who suffer.. and of course the children.. I just wish he would get his son back into the help I had him into the whole time we were together.. and I made sure they where never left alone.. Now he doesnt care.. Its all about him..
Kids that can inflict that sort of abuse on a younger child should be under restriction or confined. They are harming others. For their own well being as well as that of the victims. They are messed up, and need help.
Wow, that is a tough one. I agree with some of both sides. One if the Government gets a law like this it won't be long before it is applied to some kids "playing doctor", like the 5 year olds getting suspended for sexual harassment. On the other hand if a kid has been molested and is further victomizing even younger children then you have to do something. I guess I would side in this case with keeping the 7 year old away from other kids. But what would you do? I am not so sure prison/fines for the parent would work either. For instance say your kid is molested at age 5 then by age 7 at school or something they penitrate a younger child. Did you as the parent have the ability to stop it. You weren't the one who molested the child or gave them that knowledge. Are you responsible for not keeping them away from all other children? Would that social isolation make them more messed up?
One of the most important roles of being a parent is being responsible to the point of preventing your child from doing harm to others. If you can't do that, don't have children. If a child is capable of inflicting harm on others they need to be held in protective custody.
Have a child that can accomplish crimes against another, take responsibility. Jeffrey Damher wasn't raised in a vacuum.
I guess it would be in how they define "inflicting harm" Vs natural sexual exploration by children. Can't put a child down without violating other laws though. It would not be a parents decision to lock a child up.
Though I do agree with you, it is still a tough one to sort through. A case by case basis would be needed.
If a child/person is capable of harming another it's the responsibility of the parent to control that child. I don't care if it goes down to committal in a mental hospital or incarceration. You have a responsibility. If you wait for a case by case analysis, other innocents risk being victims. Because in order to review the case there has to be a case/victim to begin with. Denial is no excuse.
A parent can commit a child to a mental institution. I would never advocate euthanasia. I made the pit bull analogy, because some kids are that high a risk to others. To deny that is to deny your responsibility as a parent.
Most never end up where Dahmer did, but is your child a bully in school, have you confronted him/her? Do you even know what your child is thinking? As a parent it's your responsibility.
Does your child abuse animals? that's an early sign, and one that most parents tend to overlook. If a child can abuse an animal they can do worse later on. Ignore the signs justify them as simple exploration and you could be creating a monster later on. And no one can release you from that responsibility. Ultimately you gave birth to this individual, and you did that fully realizing you had a responsibility.
Well, this is something that i believe i can weigh in on as a victim of child to child sexual abuse-- and yes, there is a difference between playing doctor and being harmed. I was abused by a stepsister...i was 8 and she was 10. She knew what she was doing was wrong, she had a conscienous. She also abused my brother, who at the time was 3. This was no "playing doctor" and while i now secure in my life after many years of grappling with the ins and outs of the situation, i believe that both she and her parents are responsible for what took place. First of all, i think that she knew what she was doing was wrong because she did it in such a way that she made ME understand that no one should find out about it, and she did it secretively...most kids just experiementing get caught because they do not even see what they are doing as something they need to hide. She is responsible in my eyes. And even though there is a difference between what happened to me and what happened in this other situation, 8 years old is not really old enough to speak up and say no, or immediately tell someone-- you can be easily persuaded at that age. Secondly, i feel that my stepfather is responsible for what happened. When he found at few years later what had happened, he did nothing. My mother, who has since divorced him, said that she couldn't live at the house anymore, and that she would have to stay at her mothers. My stepfather did not agree, and furthermore, let her in the home and even left us alone with her on one than one occasion--- he did not acknowledge, or apologize to me until two years ago! Parents are responsible for what they do when they realize that their child could be a threat or menace to society. They can not help what they do not know, and every situation is different, but children also know the difference between right and wrong at a very young age. We are not discussing childs play-- we are discussing something that is real, and it hurts people. It doesn't just hurt the people that it happens to, it hurts everyone. It makes people struggle, and it makes people confused. It makes people different and can change everything. The courts were put in place to protect people, and while sometimes things dont work out perfectly for everyone, the courts can serve a good purpose for victims and especially children. My situation was never brought before a court because when my mom and i talked about it, we decided that a good dose of therapy and a lot of love was all we needed. We decided to let karma take its course-- but thats me; i wonder what my brother will choose to do when he of age.
