I hope you all can help me out on my cause.. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/187819379 Its really a shame the laws they have set forth in this.. A child can sexually abuse a child up until the age of 12, with nothing be done to help stop the cycle. Unless you have ever had this happen to you or someone you love you cant imagine the pain and fustration of trying to get something done and not being able to have any recourse in the matter. I am trying to do all I can to try and change this and would appercaite anyones help in the matter.. Even if just by signing the petition or offering up some advice.. Anything and Everything is welcome.. Thanks, Issym..
Well, if you want my two cents, I don't think the damned government ought to be involved in any more aspects of people's lives than it already is. If kids that young are doing things sexual with other kids, go talk to their parents, or try something other than getting the damned government involved in it. What do you want? For the police to put 10 year old kids in jail for playing doctor? Hell, pretty soon everybody in the country will be in jail. Forget it. No more laws and no more government intervention in people's lives. That's my opinion.
Did you even read the petition? They are looking to impose fines or jail time on parents. I think that makes perfect sense. If a kid is out of line like this, the parents should be foreced to get involved. And a fine or threat of jail time will do just that. No one is talking about putting a 10 year old in jail. But if you would have read the petition, you would have known that. And to the OP - is the subject of this thread intented to be a pun?
DQ VEG....Let me ask you a question... If you child was sexually assaulted by my child, and you came to talk to me. I said to you, I don't believe that my little angel would ever do something like that to your child. What is your next step???? Would you go for vengence against my child and myself? or Would you look to the law to do something. Again both of our children are under the age of 10. Anyway you look at it, it's time to get the goverment involved to take action against that child hurting the next child and so on. Cause I would be damn'd if my child would get assaulted sexually and i would go to an uncaring parent (who could be sexually abusing their child) who really doesnt care and for me to just look the other way cause no one wants to help my child. Next time you should think about this if it happened to you, or someone close to you. You go issym and i will sign your petition. If you can help just one child out there in the world, not just the states, then you can say that you have done something to save the sanity of at least one child in this fucked up world that we live in. That is why i am glad there are still activists out there that care.
OMG.. No it wasnt meant to be a pun at all.. This involves a 2 year old little girl.. and a half sibbling where the parent of the child who did this wont get the child help or anything and because of the ages no one wants to step in. So they expect the visits to take place and the sexual abuse to keep happening until: 1. There is complete physical damage. 2. The two year old turns 6 and can talk in court. or 3. The offending child turns 12.
This child alone has done it a few times to different children.. Meeting ppl online and talkign about my story I have learned of alot more.. This is what finally prompted me to try and change things..
I'm going to sign. This is really sad. And don't let people like DQ Veg discourage you. He just posts stuff without thinking.
I wont let anyone discourage me.. I figure everyone is entilted to there opinion and what they want to do.. But atleast I am not sitting around and letting it just stay the same and complaining about it.. I am going to stand up and try to change it.. Thank you so much!!
I did read the petition, and it says that the law would hold kids 'accountable' at the age of six instead of at 12, not just the parents. Apparently you didn't read it. Holding someone 'accountable' in the US always means locking somebody up, since that's the only way our government knows how to deal with anything. The point I'm making is that if you criminalize this kind of behavior for kids that age, they're literally gonna be locking kids up for playing doctor. Every time the government gets involved in something, they screw it up even more-I mean EVERYTHING. If the child is doing something to the 2 year old kid that he shouldn't be doing, and the parents don't want to do anyhting about it, then keep the kid away from him, for God's sake. Before long, the government is going to be controlling every single aspect of everybody's lives, which we're not far from now.
In this situation there is no keeping the child away with out the other parent being in contempt of court and going to jail.. I agree the goverment is involved way to much in certain aspects, but you have to also admit alot of our laws and regulations our out of date. Children should be accountable for there actions, but accountable doesnt mean going to jail.. Accountable means being held responsible.. But no where am I saying Punished.. The child should be treated!! And yes its in the process of being changed to try and stop the visits.. But let me ask you something.. Do you think the parent should let this go so the child who is doing this can just keep on doing it to other children, Or do you feel the child should be held accountable or the parents in the matter.. To stop this kinda thing.. So tell me your full of opinions.. What about an opinion on what you think should be done? How would you fix this situation? I am open to all suggestions..
Exactly my point in the first place. The government is the problem in this case to begin with, and now you want them to create another problem. If the government wasn't telling these people who can visit who and at what time, and how they can do it and so forth, then the parents whose daughter is being messed with sexually could simply quit letting her have contact with the kid that's messing with her. But, oh no, the government has to tell all these broken families exactly who they can talk to and when they can do it and who can see who. So, when something like this happens, the parents of the offended child don't have the right to just take their child away from the kid that's messing with her-the state is our mother and father that tells us who we can talk to and when we can do it. I'm not trying to be smart-alecky about this at all. I'm being realistic. MY family has been totally ruined by the family court system, at my ex-wife's prompting, and this is a system where there's virtually no due process or concern for who's guilty or not. If they had just stayed out of our lives, and not told us who we could talk to and when we could do it, we'd be together now and have our problerms worked out and we'd be happy. If the court system had been kept out of this family's life, then the parents could make their own decisions about who can see who and when they can do it, without the courts deciding every move that these people can make. That's exactly the problem in the first place. The problem is that so many people have accepted the government's right to do these things that we get mired deeper and deeper into letting the government simply become our mother and father. You say that the child should be helped-I'm sure that's true, but you seem to think that our government knows how to or cares about helping people-it certainly does not. The only thing this government knows how to do is lock people up and hurt and kill them, many of whom aren't even guilty in the first place and never even had a chance to defend themselves. My opinion is to get the government out of the lives of families, except in the most extreme circumstances, and let people make their own decisions about who they should see and when they should see them. And the government needs to quit encouraging divorce, and instead needs to help couples work their problems out and stay together, so there won't be so damned many broken families. I honestly don't think the government knows how to do anything that constructive, though. The only thing it seems to know how to do is to tear things down instead of build them up.
DQ Veg.. I guess I should explain greater detail 2 year old.. is half sister to the child who did this to her.. Parents are seperated. Father has custody of child who is causing harm and refuses to do anything about it even to protect his 2 year old.. he is permitting this to happen in his own home.. Now.. What would be your opinion to this? Also.. DQ, I know your not being smart alcky in your comments.. I respect your opinion.. But be truthful with me.. What would you say would be happen first.. Getting the Goverment out of our lives... Or trying to change certain parts of it?
Curiosity is one thing.. But this child was molested by an adult.. Now he is acting out on other shildren with his new found wisdom of something he should have never known at his age. So are you telling me then that is acceptable for children to go around having sex with one another? This two year old, never had the option to say NO.. it was pushed on her and now she is having all sorts of problems.. Kids do experiment, but usually both children are willing and usually around the same age group and a tad older or experiment with themselves.. I am ashamed now to say I live in a time where people think its perfectly fine for a 7 year old to push himself onto a 2 year old..
The 7 (boy)year old.. penetrated her digitally , and now the 2 (girl)year old is also mimicking oral sex. 2 year old now refuses to let anyone help her when she showers (which makes it very hard to wash hair) and refuses help when using the potty (which makes it very hard to potty train) 2 year old also screams through the night with nightmares, screaming out dont touch me. This is also what is actually known. God knows what happened that is not known. But for the other instant. 7 year old boy bit the penis of a 3 year old boy when the 7 year old was 6 to the point of causing severe damage. He also penetrated this other boy digitaly A two year old anatomy is not equiped to handle a 7 year olds anatomy. In fact a 2 year old is not equiped to handle anything at this time in her life.
Well, there is such a thing as experimentation, as Jester said, and there's someting that goes further than that. This obviously falls into the latter category. Look, my solution is still basically the same-keep the damned government out of families' business. If this is going on, and the father won't do anything about it, then go to the family court, tell them about it, and insist that visitation not take place until something is done about it. I highly doubt that this will do any good, as the courts almost never get anything right. I'm not saying that I don't sympathize with your situation, because I do-what I'm saying is that if more laws are passed in this area, kids are gonna be locked up for sexual experimentation, like Jester and I said, criminalizing things like playing doctor. There's a family court judge that has jurisdiction in this case-take it to him/her and tell the judge what's going on. I have nothing but contempt for the damned court system, as I'm convinced that all it does is cause more problems, but that's the only solution that I can see for this if the father won't do anything about it. And people need to stop acting like divorce is the solution to all their problems, when in reality it usually just causes more problems. If two people aren't determined to stay together 'til death do us part', then they never should get married in the 1st place.
God-damnit--that's horrible.Do report this to SOMEBODY.That older child is screwed up.But not as much as that sick sonuvabitch,the father.Fuckenay I'll sign.
I so agree with that last statement you made about marriage!!!! Sigh.. Its a tough road.. but I also look at it this way.. If bringing this petition to even just the family court helps then atleast one more child is saved.. Maybe you can come up with some solutions to right it a different way. Maybe another angle.. But being as that I am living it, I cant just drop it and walk away.. This is much the latter then just experimental play.
