A song, a cry for Peace!

Discussion in 'Protest' started by gardener, Jul 17, 2006.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Don't ask me to choose sides, if you government leaders are so powerful, call a time out... call for reason. Ask that both sides consider the loss of innoncent life.

    I still stand behind this card that I made one year after 09/11. We are many, we are varied and political and corporate interests should not expect us to follow them blindly. To do that is do demean the intellegence of the American public, and seek to blindly market your ends even though it is evil. I for one will not buy into it! The small man toils daily to make a life for his family and his neighbor. He works hard. You choose to think him stupid and easily manipulated. When was the last time you fat cats sweated or toiled. You buy your influence, but it reaches a point when even though we are tired we can see through your corruption.

    http://www.tco.net/~phacker/scooter/towers.html

    Don't try and market to us, be honest about your motives and if we agree, we will consider supporting you. Don't ever assume you can buy our allegiance. Mine isn't for sale! I owe this to those that lost their lives on 09/11 and those that have lost their lives since then. I owe them the right to ask the question why? Don't lie to me any longer! I may be tired but I am not stupid!
     
  2. MikeE

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    Unfortunatly, even those who seek peace use the marketing techniques of Madison Avenue. Until the peace makers reject the concepts implied by the word "sheeple", government and corporate leaders (masters at mass marketing) will win.
     
  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Not if those they market to, stand up and say BULLSHIT! Talk to us as intelligent people, don't feed us your spin. I don't just owe that to those that are currently dying but to those that died during our revolution and other conflicts, they fought for our right to ask for answers.



    Again I shout PEACE! Tell me why it can't happen? And perhaps I can show you how it can!
     
  4. MikeE

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    True, bullshit is bullshit. And those who want the people to rule can not afford to disrespect them.
    Still, it saddens me to see my allies accept the tools and world view of those we oppose. Nor do I make many friends pointing out the errors of those whose goals I support.

    True, it is not enough to recognize the bullshit. I must call it (especially to my allies) when I see it. Otherwise, I let today's ally turn into tommorow's oppressor.
     
  5. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    PEACE can happen if no one side is set on coming out ahead of the other. Lay down your arms. And if the other side continues with it's barrage, perhaps the world will see that their aim all along was control. I hate to see more innocent life lost, but countering them with force only gives them more control. If you mass your populus and say no more fire no more weapons, when they send their bombs, and I know the Israelis will, will the rest of the world support them? The Bush Administration and the PNAC will, but if you make that sort of selfless stand, in the end they will lose big time. The world will see them for the greedy power hungry monsters they are.
     
  6. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Gather your people at the Beirut airport with candles. Set a time and publize it. Keep it peaceful and organized. If they bomb you then their intent is clear. Each time they target somewhere in your country schedule a peaceful protest and let the world know. This in the long run can be way more successful than the militant bodies you have now, they are painted with the terroist brush.

    Stand at your borders with candles instead of guns, face the enemy as a bully that is looking for a fight. See if the world will back Israel when they are obviously decimating innocent populations. But fire back and they will for always be the "good" guys. Take a page from Gandhi and be above the opposition.

    Face them with PEACE, and they won't know how to behave. They have no concept of PEACE. Certainly there will be matryrs, but they won't be nameless or classified as terrorists as they are now, eventually the world will respond. And I for one will remember them.

    Wouldn't it look silly for the American military to proceed with mass retaliation, when the people of the area are only responding peacefully. Would be hard to justify mass military intervention.

    Bush, Haliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle are only waiting for an excuse, don't give it to them.
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Realize they are marketing a war, and cut the bottom out of their market. That would be one of the best things I could see coming out of this. Beat them at their own game. Be holier than they wish to appear.
     
  8. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I shout for PEACE, Lebanon, Syria, Iran and other Arabian nation do the same and the US and their militant allies won't know how to respond, they only know how to respond to violence.
     
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    This whole thing in Israel and Lebanon has driven me to the brink...it's so hard for me to see all this going on over Religion which was something to bring the world together...but now religion is justn tearing it apart
     
  10. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    It's not really about religion, it's about power, money and control. Don't let them sell you on the "radical extremist" crap, it's not about that... it's about property boundaries, oil rights and the control of the area.
     
  11. MikeE

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    On one level its about temporal power. But I think that the people who blow themselves up in order to kill the bystanders are motivated by their god. Or rather what those who seek temporal power have taught them about god.

    Peace will come when people reject calls (internal or external) to hurt others. Much of the "discussion" of how to acheive peace is finger-pointing and blaming. These discussions are used to explain why its OK to kill those people because they killed these people.
     
  12. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I point no fingers. I place no blame. But I say stop, and if you don't then I will place blame. Because those that are killing are an atrocity to humanity. I don't care what god they espouse, are how they view their cause, nothing justifies taking the life of another.
     
  13. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I sing and cry out for Peace and I will not stop!
     
  14. MikeE

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    Please don't. Peace is needed.
     
  15. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    We need voices to join in the song. Thanks MikeE. Who else will raise their voice in a song of Peace?
     
  16. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Remember when we all thought we could all link hands and sing "We Are the World"? Well we are the world, and unless we stand up and make our intentions known, the rich and powerful will try to manipulate us. We are the world. We don't have to be educated or powerful, we just have to know right from wrong.
     
  17. tnborn

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    Remember Kent State???
    National Guard fired on unarmed citizens.
    tnborn
     
  18. DQ Veg

    DQ Veg JUSTYNA'S TIGER

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    We sure need to do that, but being educated helps. One reason that so many Americans support these wars that the US has sponsored, including the current one in Lebanon, is that they don't understand the history or backgroung of the conflicts, therefore easily believing whatever the government tells them. That's one reason that so many other people around the world are against these American led conflicts, because they're more educated and understand more about the issues. Obviously, though, knowing right from wrong is more important than anything.
     
  19. stoney69

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    unless humanity is ready to come together, regardless of religion, faith, color, points of views et al - we've not taken away the power from politicians to create these divisions amongst us

    if the many sufferin's of humans have affected you, whether at home or beyond ..STAND UP and FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHT (it will be you, or your loved one some day!)
     
  20. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I remember Kent State, I was in my last year of college, and it totally proved to me that governments can not be trusted. There has to be transparency and oversight or the powerful will run over all the others just to achieve their goals.

    But truly in my heart I think the death of those four lead to an early end of to the war. And I will never forget them. You don't have to take up arms to make a difference.
     

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