Stupid Dumb Young "Hippies"

You gave up on your privacy when you got that credit card. Your SSN is now the key to everything about you.

It can be found quite quickly.

Your problem is that 99% of your fellow citizens are too ignorant to notice and never will care, no matter how much you "educate" them.

And you run your government by their votes... it's a mystery to me why you tolerate this.

 

I was listening to NPR yesterday, the commentator called it "Stealth Totalitarianism". Basically they take rights away without our noticing it/seeing it, until it's too late.

That's why I am (despite what people might think) doing my part. I am making sure I help keep influential people in Congress that will vote the way I want them too. I talk them up, vote, and let them know my opinion on matters.

I view issues like the internet and flag burning as examples of distractions. They are meant to distract congress from really important issues, like the war, gay marriage, etc. The longer they put off resolving these matters, the better for those in power.

 

Okay... what are you talking about when you say "the government is not going to let us surf the web freely?" could you post some links to legislation that is currently being debated or has recently been introduced which will curb just what we can do on the internet?

'cos i was reading the first page and you didn't actually give a single example.

 

Well, does anyone know what CAN be done in a small college town in Central Missouri? I don't have a car, so I can't really drive to the bigger cities. I have a job, and college classes, so I can't really drop everything and hitch hike off somewhere. Our senators are both republican, and won't listen to a college-democrat. They wave me off and wait for me to "grow up."

All I can do right now is to do as much one-on-one good as I can now, and pray. Oh, and continue my own little protest while I can:

I FUCKED LAURA BUSH UP THE ASS WITH A STRAP-ON AND SHE GROWLED FOR MORE LIKE AN ANGRY SEX KITTEN! ARREST ME, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

 

Here's a link for you Politics:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/21/AR2006012100094.html

 

They're just monitoring us right now. Certain words set off automatic alarms, and the more words you use the more they're afraid of you. Eventually you get arrested. This doesn't seem like much now, but it sets a dangerous precedent. Do you know the old adage about the boiling frog? Yep, that's us.

 

No one's posted in here in ages but after reading all of this I feel like I need to post. Gardener, I think you are right. I know people who say 'hippie' and mean 'stoner', but this does not make them bad people, just ill-educated. As for the internet bit, it's true it will happen, and the thought (I'll admit) frightens me. I spend much of my time on the internet and find it a marvelous way to connect with people. Some of my closest friends (including my girlfriend) are thousands of miles away. The government is controlling our every move, and we can stop it, it may just take awhile. Politically awareness is very important, it's becoming (to me. this is my opinion...) life or death sometimes.

I'll admit that I haven't been able to be as 'activist' as I'd like to be but I have limited resources at my disposal. Also I have duties at home that can't go ignored(taking care of my sister and grandparents for example), but as soon as I see a chance to do anything that makes my rights more evident (spelling?) I jump at it. So you see not every one that's young and counts themselves as a 'hippie' are the ill-educated, uncaring, stoners you describe. (Though I do party upon occasion I won't lie about it.)

 

I think it's very typical to hear the baby-boomers and the "greatest generation" members spout criticism and victimize the youth for society's ills and meanwhile offer no solutions on how to solve the "problem". When in truth these people are the very ones who have set the stage for the greed sanctification, rampant consumerism, victimhood-infatuated mentality that takes place today in the western world.

 

When I originally posted this thread, there was little going on around here expect wantabes bragging about getting high.

The community has grown and I see some thinking mature young people now that want to get involved.

So don't get your shorts in a bunch over something that was six months ago, unless you look at atmosphere of the board at the time.

I still see some dickheads trying to make themselves look like rebels, and they still just look like posers to me.

 

livin' the gimmick.

 

I am still on dialup so I try to keep the graphics to a minimum. Sorry about that.

Pat

 

Actually the legislation they were proposing at the time fell through because of public outrage. Doesn't mean they won't try to bring it up in the future. I'll hunt for an old link. Six months ago it was all over the internet and the newspapers.

Maybe this will explain:

http://www.savetheinternet.com/

 

This is what they were trying to pass:

 

Hippie isn't about spending your fucking wasted time (or your life) on your fucking "none-nature-content" computer on the "none-nature-content" internet wich is full of bullshits anyways. I couldn't care less about what could happen with internet and it was predictable.

And how the fuck could you care about your "cyber-illusion-life" and pretend to be a hippie?

The title of this thread got me laughing, I taught it could have been something constructive, but just one more stupid shit on the internet; What's scary about loosing that? Personally - I don't give a shit.

And by the way, you have the choice to use the internet, nobody forces you. So please, don't call yourself a hippie just because you can give crap about the goverment. No, I don't exept the goverment to wipe my bloody nose, I can cover my ass alone and no I do not want a free ipod.

And did you forget about your freedom to change country, throw your computer by the window, and the liberty to spend more time with your children like you said then spending your time on this evil machine full of traps like you said... that's just stupid...

Give yourself a gift, shut the fuck up.

 

Leary isn't my god... the fuck is that... no points

 

You don't have the credibility to lecture people.

 

This isnt really an argument about free speech its about money and infrastructure - its an argument about whether virtual corporations should pay the physical corporations more money to traverse the physical infrastructure
When AT&T said that people like Google should pay for their traffic to pass over AT&T's lines that is the right of AT&T to say those things - someone has to pay !

The fact is that it will not limit your freedom of speech one iota. However it will limit your freedom of choice. You dont have a right to freedom of choice anyway - not unless you can pay for it. The fact is that at the end of the day this is just the Level 1 carriers saying that level 2 and 3 carriers need to be aware that high volume means bigger overheads. A company like google with 4Billion Dollars of profit per year cant expect to go free over the internet - everyone looks at this like its a problem the big players like AT&T have created in conjunction with government. It isnt!
This is the fact that AT&T and other carriers with physical hardware such as the wires and fibre-optic cables have higher overheads and they believe some of those overheads should be paid for by the virtual companies such as Google and yahoo etc
whose traffic represents quite a large chunk of what passes through the level 1 networks.

The fact is its like the tax debate - the only reason why people are up in arms is because everyone wants a slice of the cake and no-one wants to pay for it.
Every time you send a byte of data that costs someone money - your isp pays a bigger company, but out of generosity and the fact that the amounts of data are guessed rather than calculated - things are a bit cheaper than the otherwise would be.

Theres two choices these people have AT&T could just pack up and take it somewhere else
Google could pack up and get off the net
or the third choice of course is that everyone pays more - its not really a moral issue its a monetary issue

What the boneheads at AT&T havent forseen is the fact this will then merely mean that virtual companies such as google in effect becomes a heavily subsidised company - your network provider will charge you to access google
YOU will pay for googles content. It isnt the government you need to be afraid of its AT&T. Also you should reflect that google needs to take responsibility too.

The actual debate can be found here I suggest people read wikipedia first
then see what Tim Berners Lee - the inventor of the WWW - says
the rest is interesting but mere propoganda
wikipedia

Tim Berners Lee

AT&T Propoganda

googles propoganda

zdnet

savetheinternet

both sides have dubious intent

wikipedia

tim berners lee

In other words - If I own a better quality of service and a higher rate of bandwidth - you pay me - If we connect as equals we offset the cost, if a poorer service connects to a better service the poorer service pays
thats exactly how the internet works - in terms of routing data from one network to another only equals or betters travel free
thats why the net is split into levels 1,2,and 3

Its about money and infrastructure and who pays ! its not an issue of free speech thats merely a propogandist device - I dont mind paying more as long as there is an internet that can be made available to me - someone has to pay and that someone is YOU