Question about the "system"

I was thinking and a thought came to me that all though time corperations, or the "system", if you will, always buys people & there culture, so to speak and always end up killing it.

For exsample, hippies and the counterculture moevment, in like 1967-ish all these "hippie bands" got record labels since the system noticed the movent going on and jumped along. And trully ended up killing the movement.

Another exsample, the Punks, had a somewhat simlair casue about freedom, and the same thing happened to them in the late 1970's. The system bought it and killed it, by makeing it, all clean and more happy [i.e. Pop Punk (i.e. Green Day)].

Another group that had this happen was heavy metal. Which was founded in the late 1970's by bands like Black Sabbath, Blue Cheer, and Led Zeppelin. But when the system picked it up in the 1980's it because Galm, and any true metalhead will say that was not true metal.

The most recent though was in the early 1990's, the alternative rock/indie/grunge scene, once again about freedom, and a sort of back-to-the-land idea, like the hippies. But were killed by recorded labels, bringing a wrong image and brung lots of fakes.

But overall, all these groups are alike in what they wanted. Hippies, Punks, Metal, Grunge all wanted, Freedom in short. And trully are the only types of rock music that have any point, other then to get paid and to party.

Now I'm not saying all other music sucks, just it didnt have a point as much or trying to change anything.

Jazz- Freedom
Early 50's Rock - Party Music
Surf Rock - Party Music
British Invasion - Party Music
Garage Rock - Started With No Point, But now sometimes does
Folk Rock - Point
Psychedelic - Point
Progressive Rock - Sort-of
Metal - In a sort.
Disco - None
Hip Hop - Only Underground hip hop, but mostly no
Punk - Point
New Wave - I don't think so
Galm - None
Indie/Grunge - Point
Britpop - Not really
Stoner Rock/Metal - Sort-of
Emo - None
Pop Music - None

But my question is that is there a way to avoid, the system killing a group? I don't think so, unless all groups with a point be one. And I like the hippie idea with a slight grunge idea in there.

 

A genre kills itself.

 

Most of the time it's a fad, and passes with time.

 

Well I get that, for maybe something like disco or something, but I don't see why that happens to movements with really good causes, like the countercultre hippie movement.

 

you do have a good point, you also said alot of stupid shit, but you raise a really good point

I think in most cases, the people aren't really dedicated to what they are preaching, even if they think they are

the way I see it, shit for the counter culture was really dedicated to their efforts, half of them just did it cause it was cool and let out their angst, and another huge chunk did it because of the drugs and sex
and as for the grunge scene, that never really had too much cause behind it in the first place

 

Well grunge is in my thoughts, a lot like a time time frame of hippies, if you think about it. Since the hippies came from a time of low corperations, they could go-back-to-the-land. Grunge came from a corperate shit time (1980's) so they had to go with what was possable.

 

haha
'corperations' were much in control back then too, not as much as in the 90s, but still pretty much in control

 

The only way not to get swallowed up is to go true hippie style and play acouustic guitar by the fire - then everyone does and you have a style of music truly based around rejection of the system because it doesn't need it, whereas the other stuff did more or less, to play it and get it heard

 

I disagree 100%

 

oh yeah...that's not being a conformest.

 

What the fuck is wrong with being conformist. I'm not going to rebel for the sake of it, only if I've got a reason. I can share my opinions with other people, I don't have to always think something new and independent do I?

 

Right on, just saying your point-of-veiw (even if it's radical) and standing by it.

 

you have a point in that the system sees what's popular and buys it out. but it dies because really because it gets too big and people eventually get bored of it and move on...but the system also does sell it out to help it get too big and watered down as well.. there are always bands out there that play the music they want to play, but the system only picks handfulls of them every once in a while if they think it will sell. that's why there's such a great things these days that the hippies didn't have and that's called independent labels. and there really hasn't been a musical movement since indie really started. yeah you could say that Grunge was alternative and indie but in my opinion it really died about because Cobain killed himself and correct me if i'm wrong but all those grunge bands signed to major labels. but if everybody went indie then the system couldn't do fuck about trying to water down and killing a movement faster. plus thesedays there's satellite radio, which is prone for underground bands to be heard, there's podcasts, there's myspace. i think that technology has done some good in the music world and bands nowadays probably have more musical freedom now than they ever have because of technology. that's why you have to look into the underground to find the best music these days i would think, though there are definitely exceptions to that. but technology truely has said FUCK YOU to the record companies by moving away from the traditional way of making and selling music.

 

You made a really good point. The one problem with the technology is that sometimes it means bands who really don't have any money, as opposed to those who are greedy, can't make any because of the net, so they can't continue or go full-time, and we lose a load of great musicians.

 

That's one thing that I never understand how people can just stop caring about it.