North Korea puts spotlight on the U.S.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by zeppelin kid, Jul 5, 2006.

  1. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Yeah, but that is all rhetoric. You can't take seriously anything that comes out of the mouth of Bush. I don't buy it for a second. Besides, that would change in a flash following another 9/11-style attack on the country, which is only a matter of time.

    I think Bush has just been ordered to play down any talk of intervention, but we know what the neocon agenda is, and North Korea is DEFINITELY on their list.
     
  2. zeppelin kid

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    Ok rat let me assure you that no one in America is actually worried about North Korea. But as I was saying earlier in this thread is that the message kim jung il sent to the world is far worse then any conflict as of right now.
     
  3. zeppelin kid

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    To back up my statement, today on nbc nightly news Tim Russard said the same exact thing I said about the strong message Kim jung il sent to other nations. And that being if you have nuclear capabilities then military intervention is out of the question and diplomacy is the only option. I would have to agree that diplomacy should be the first option but again how long can this go on without a stricter opposition from neighboring countries.
     
  4. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Kim Jong Ill might be cold and evil, but he's not crazy. He's not going to attack another country, because he knows that would be the end of him and his country. Ill's goal is merely to maintain his power, not to rule the world (that's the people who control OUR government).

    I don't place much importance on anything the media, or a media lapdog like Tim Russert, says. Because if you know the media, you know they're always playing up on the fear. That's why the media serves as such a useful tool to the people who own the media and tell you what you can and cannot hear.

    Tim Russert said it sends a strong message. So what? I had eggs for breakfast.

    It's only a strong message if you believe that a man who doesn't even have missiles that work is going to attempt something as stupid as attacking another country, let alone the US.

    I think the only instance Ill would attack another country is if he was provoked, and we know the US has been provoking North Korea for years. That's why Ill is doing what he's doing. He knows his time is limited and he is desperate.

    If the US saw North Korea as being as much of a threat they're being portrayed as, then why did we sell them two of their nuclear reactors in the 90s? Then again, maybe that was part of the plan all along.

    There is a book by Antony Sutton called The Best Enemy Money Can Buy, and the title of that book sums it up in a nutshell.

    If you look back on history, you will see that most (if not all) of the enemies the US has ever had were created by the US themselves. Because if you don't have an enemy, you have to make one.
     
  5. zeppelin kid

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    And yet again people don't understand the true message of those missile tests. Of course North Korea isn't that stupid as to attack another country and start some kind of war. Of course the U.S., China, Japan, Russia aren't going to start freaking out over it and start a nuclear war. As I and other people in the media realize these tests were not to provoke any other nation into war but to send a strong message to other nations who are nuclear armed or are looking to have that capability and for these nations to have no fear from the U.S. or the UN.
     
  6. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I don't think that's the message he was trying to send, and I don't think that's what Russert meant either by what he said. The US would pounce on North Korea with any opportunity they get, and just because they haven't yet, doesn't mean they aren't going to. I personally think Kim is very afraid, and that's why he's doing what he's doing. It's sort of an act of desperation. That's how I see it.
     
  7. zeppelin kid

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    A very smart and cunning act of desperation. People say kim jung il is a crazy genius and I would have to agree with that statement from what he has done in the past few days.
     
  8. zeppelin kid

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    That is exactly what russert meant and I would know this because I basically copied down what he said word for word. I know what I speak of and what I write for the most part.
     
  9. rangerdanger

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    The current "crisis" with regards to N. Korea is entirely bushco's creation.
    During the Clinton years, the U.S. agreed to see to it that N. Korea was supplied with oil at a competitive price. In return N. Korea mothballed their breeder reactor.
    When jr. was appointed president, he immediently set upon a course to create a crisis, by violating that agreement and refusing to supply N. Korea with oil.
    N. Korea, needing electricity just like everyone else, was left with no other alternative but to re-start the breeder reactor, something the neocons wanted, to create a bogeyman.
    I don't think the U.S. will invade or bomb N. Korea. They could never do it without China signing off on the deal, something China won't do.
    You think the U.S. would allow China or Russia or anyone to invade/bomb Mexico? No way.
    In a way, I admire kim jung. He's standing up to the worlds most viscious and powerful nation. He's aware that China wouldn't allow it, so he's safe to rant and rave and tell the U.S. "fuck you."
    Look at the countries that now have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. The U.S., Britian, France, Russia and other former members of the USSR, China, India, Pakistan, S. Africa and Isreal. Those are the ones we know about; there may be others. And who is the only one of those who's used them against civilian populations?
    Pakistan was listed as a terrorist nation until the U.S. needed them on "our side" for our war against Afganistan to control the world's heroin supply (and to build a pipeline across Afganistan; our invasion had nothing at all to do with bin-laden, who the taliban offered to turn over to the world court, but the U.S. refused. And now Afganistan is once again producing bumper crops of opium poppies for the c.i.a., the pipeline is being built, and the current gov't is comprised mainly of Afgan tribal warlords, under whose leadership 50,000 Afgani's were killed in 5 years, vaulting the taliban into power).
    Why doesn't N. Korea have the "right" to possess nukes and missle's? They sure as hell ain't gonna launch them at the U.S. or anyone else for that matter; that would insure their destruction. What Kim is saying is "don't fuck with us U.S.A. You'll win but we'll go down fighting."

    I also don't think the U.S. will invade/bomb Iran. They would need Russia's permission and I don't think they'll get it.

    What's going on now between the U.S. and N. Korea is early 60's U.S./Cuba-style brinkmanship. There will be no war and both sides will declare they won.
     
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  11. zeppelin kid

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    Your absolutely right. And that is why this situation was planned years ago.
     
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