Proposed flag burning amendment goes down in flames

Discussion in 'Protest' started by woodsman, Jun 28, 2006.

  1. woodsman

    woodsman Senior Member

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    Just a little update: The U.S. Senate has rejected the proposed Constitutional amendment to ban flag burning. The bill was defeated by a single vote ( the vote was 66-34, one vote short of the 67 needed to pass). The downfall of this bill in the Senate is a major blow to the Bush administration's agenda, as the President has been advocating heavily for its passage.

    For more information please read this:
    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/06/28/flag_burning_amendment_fails_by_a_vote/

    So at least for now, this aspect of our free speech rights is still safe.
     
  2. brownxfoot

    brownxfoot Member

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    this rocks. i'm just sad their isn't a site that shows who voted what really clearly so i could know if i should write and th.nk you note to my senators.
    i actlly no they voted for the ban
     
  3. Politics are awesome

    Politics are awesome Politics suck

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    Nothing seems to be going right for Bush and his administration anymore. :D

    One fucking vote, huh? God sure is on his side, haha. :D
     
  4. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    They knew it would never pass, but now they can go on the election trail and tell their constiuents they voted for it. It will get them some supporters, it always does.
     
  5. DQ Veg

    DQ Veg JUSTYNA'S TIGER

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    Exactly. That's what it's all about in the first place. That and a diversion from the real issues. Just another stupid stunt to drum up more 'patriotism.'
     
  6. woodsman

    woodsman Senior Member

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    Brownxfoot, here is the link to the web site you asked for:
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00189
    This lists all 100 Senators and how they voted on the bill.

    And one thing about the Boston Globe article I linked to in my original post, they made a typographical error when they listed the vote tally. The Globe listed the vote as 36-64 (they reversed the last digit of each number). The actual vote was 34-66. I just wanted to clarify that point in case anybody noticed it.
     
  7. woodsman

    woodsman Senior Member

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    Here are the results of the vote if anyone is interested. This is from the official Senate web site that I linked to before: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...on=2&vote=00189

    I thought it would be simpler to post the results here so you would'nt have to leave the forum or open a new window to see it.

    00189

    27-Jun

    On the Joint Resolution

    Rejected

    S.J.Res.12 as Amended; A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States authorizing Congress to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.


    U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session

    as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

    Vote Summary

    Question: On the Joint Resolution (S.J.Res.12 as Amended )

    Vote Number:
    189

    Vote Date:
    June 27, 2006, 06:14 PM

    Required For Majority:
    2/3

    Vote Result:
    Joint Resolution Defeated

    Vote Counts:

    YEAs 66

    NAYs 34

    Grouped By Vote Position
    YEAs ---66

    Alexander (R-TN)
    Allard (R-CO)
    Allen (R-VA)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Brownback (R-KS)
    Bunning (R-KY)
    Burns (R-MT)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Coleman (R-MN)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Craig (R-ID)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Dayton (D-MN)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    DeWine (R-OH)
    Dole (R-NC)


    Domenici (R-NM)
    Ensign (R-NV)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Frist (R-TN)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Hagel (R-NE)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    Lott (R-MS)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Martinez (R-FL)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    Menendez (D-NJ)


    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Salazar (D-CO)
    Santorum (R-PA)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Smith (R-OR)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Specter (R-PA)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Stevens (R-AK)
    Sununu (R-NH)
    Talent (R-MO)
    Thomas (R-WY)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Voinovich (R-OH)
    Warner (R-VA)


    NAYs ---34

    Akaka (D-HI)
    Bennett (R-UT)
    Biden (D-DE)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Chafee (R-RI)
    Clinton (D-NY)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Dodd (D-CT)


    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Jeffords (I-VT)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)


    Lieberman (D-CT)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Obama (D-IL)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Sarbanes (D-MD)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Wyden (D-OR)


    Grouped by Home State

    Alabama:
    Sessions (R-AL), Yea
    Shelby (R-AL), Yea

    Alaska:
    Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
    Stevens (R-AK), Yea

    Arizona:
    Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
    McCain (R-AZ), Yea

    Arkansas:
    Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
    Pryor (D-AR), Nay

    California:
    Boxer (D-CA), Nay
    Feinstein (D-CA), Yea

    Colorado:
    Allard (R-CO), Yea
    Salazar (D-CO), Yea

    Connecticut:
    Dodd (D-CT), Nay
    Lieberman (D-CT), Nay

    Delaware:
    Biden (D-DE), Nay
    Carper (D-DE), Nay

    Florida:
    Martinez (R-FL), Yea
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea

    Georgia:
    Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
    Isakson (R-GA), Yea

    Hawaii:
    Akaka (D-HI), Nay
    Inouye (D-HI), Nay

    Idaho:
    Craig (R-ID), Yea
    Crapo (R-ID), Yea

    Illinois:
    Durbin (D-IL), Nay
    Obama (D-IL), Nay

    Indiana:
    Bayh (D-IN), Yea
    Lugar (R-IN), Yea

    Iowa:
    Grassley (R-IA), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Nay

    Kansas:
    Brownback (R-KS), Yea
    Roberts (R-KS), Yea

    Kentucky:
    Bunning (R-KY), Yea
    McConnell (R-KY), Nay

    Louisiana:
    Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
    Vitter (R-LA), Yea

    Maine:
    Collins (R-ME), Yea
    Snowe (R-ME), Yea

    Maryland:
    Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
    Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay

    Massachusetts:
    Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
    Kerry (D-MA), Nay

    Michigan:
    Levin (D-MI), Nay
    Stabenow (D-MI), Yea

    Minnesota:
    Coleman (R-MN), Yea
    Dayton (D-MN), Yea

    Mississippi:
    Cochran (R-MS), Yea
    Lott (R-MS), Yea

    Missouri:
    Bond (R-MO), Yea
    Talent (R-MO), Yea

    Montana:
    Baucus (D-MT), Yea
    Burns (R-MT), Yea

    Nebraska:
    Hagel (R-NE), Yea
    Nelson (D-NE), Yea

    Nevada:
    Ensign (R-NV), Yea
    Reid (D-NV), Yea

    New Hampshire:
    Gregg (R-NH), Yea
    Sununu (R-NH), Yea

    New Jersey:
    Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
    Menendez (D-NJ), Yea

    New Mexico:
    Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
    Domenici (R-NM), Yea

    New York:
    Clinton (D-NY), Nay
    Schumer (D-NY), Nay

    North Carolina:
    Burr (R-NC), Yea
    Dole (R-NC), Yea

    North Dakota:
    Conrad (D-ND), Nay
    Dorgan (D-ND), Nay

    Ohio:
    DeWine (R-OH), Yea
    Voinovich (R-OH), Yea

    Oklahoma:
    Coburn (R-OK), Yea
    Inhofe (R-OK), Yea

    Oregon:
    Smith (R-OR), Yea
    Wyden (D-OR), Nay

    Pennsylvania:
    Santorum (R-PA), Yea
    Specter (R-PA), Yea

    Rhode Island:
    Chafee (R-RI), Nay
    Reed (D-RI), Nay

    South Carolina:
    DeMint (R-SC), Yea
    Graham (R-SC), Yea

    South Dakota:
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Thune (R-SD), Yea

    Tennessee:
    Alexander (R-TN), Yea
    Frist (R-TN), Yea

    Texas:
    Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
    Hutchison (R-TX), Yea

    Utah:
    Bennett (R-UT), Nay
    Hatch (R-UT), Yea

    Vermont:
    Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
    Leahy (D-VT), Nay

    Virginia:
    Allen (R-VA), Yea
    Warner (R-VA), Yea

    Washington:
    Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
    Murray (D-WA), Nay

    West Virginia:
    Byrd (D-WV), Nay
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea

    Wisconsin:
    Feingold (D-WI), Nay
    Kohl (D-WI), Nay

    Wyoming:
    Enzi (R-WY), Yea
    Thomas (R-WY), Yea
     
  8. Shambhala Peace

    Shambhala Peace Senior Member

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    Did anyone catch Rush?
    It was pretty funny, after spitting fire over the failure to pass this amendment he created a "Demco environmentally friendly flag" commercial. Made out of hemp, it's sole purpose would be for all the anarchists/liberals to burn.

    Ah, you gotta love the conservatives for a good laugh.
     
  9. woodsman

    woodsman Senior Member

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    Sorry, I missed that one.

    There was a time when conservatives could make an itelligent argument, then concede defeat when they lose.

    It seems the only thing modern conservatives can do is to make fun of the other side when they don't get their way.

    You're right about it being good for a laugh, Rush's program can be quite comical at times.
     
  10. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Actually I find it sad that so many democrats caved and voted for possible votes. I am glad I am "Green". I can vote for who I think is most suiting, and not vote for those that are trying to manipulated public opinion.
     
  11. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Google images ==> ''flag burning '' , see the results , try the same thing with Yahoo

    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  12. woodsman

    woodsman Senior Member

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    I did the image search you described on both google and yahoo. All I saw was protesters burning the flag and a few polictical cartoons about the proposed Constitutional amendment.

    So I'm not sure what your point is. Was there a specific image that you wanted to point out?
     
  13. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    No, not a specific image, All I saw was protesters burning the (US) flag, isn't it?
    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens

     
  14. YEM36313

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    i am proud that both carper and biden from delaware (my home state) voted "nay"

    Personally, i think its a little weird that they even had this in the senate... i mean, don't we have better things to do with our time? (MAYBE NOT) But, if for no other reason than to see Bush choke, i am glad it didn't pass! I know, it's bad to hate, but i don't hate the guy, i just think he's a lousy excuse of a person and should have never been considered for anything but a position at McDonalds.

    However, these days, i suppose you can't be too surprised by anything he does.

    Peace and love
     
  15. brownxfoot

    brownxfoot Member

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    Hey woodman thanks for the site!
     
  16. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Good point[​IMG]

    *Peace and love*
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  17. Shambhala Peace

    Shambhala Peace Senior Member

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    Sadly Yem - this is how they get us. That waste their time on petty things which distracts them from the more important issues at hand. Makes them feel like they are doing something, when in reality they are doing nothing at all.
     
  18. woodsman

    woodsman Senior Member

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    You're welcome.
     
  19. 7point65

    7point65 Banned

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    Only a coward would burn Old Glory in protest. Anyone who hates my country that much should leave. Heck I will help them pack. 7.65
     
  20. Squirrel

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    Heh. I just like fire.

    Good grief, Bush desecrated the flag a few times by autographing some. If a flag is worn out, you're SUPPOSED to burn it. Did I miss something?
     
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