No change in Earths tempature from 1998-2005

Discussion in 'Global Warming' started by Turn, Apr 12, 2006.

  1. Turn

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  2. ChandraShakti

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    and, you'll note, it's listed under the opinions page...
     
  3. skip

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    Did you notice that he carefully selected his start year as 1998. Wonder why? Well that was a record HIGH temperature year. So comparing with that will make it seem like there was much less of an increase.

    This is typical of those trying to LIE about a subject. You can take data and SELECTIVELY manipulate it to prove whatever point you want.

    But notice he doesn't provide a graph or even stats for each year. He's hiding that info because it would reveal the lie.

    Why start at such an arbitrary year like 1998, when all scientists are currently comparing either the last 100 or 50 years. Any scientist will tell you such a short timeline does not accurately portray the long-range trends. Indeed, if he had started with say 1960, which is a good baseline (not a mid decade year), he'd come up with completely different results.

    In fact stooping to such a low trick to convince people with such sparse data (which he never even reveals), is as low as a scientist could go.

    Use your brain to see thru these charlatans who want to paper over the biggest ecological crime man has committed against our planet.
     
  4. MikeE

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    "There is global warming. We need to stop putting trash in the air." is an argument that everyone can understand. Even if they don't think that global warming is happening, they understand that the conclusion follows from the premise.

    I don't understand the agrument "There is no global warming. Atmospheric trash is OK." Lack of global warming is no reason to pollute the air.
     
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    Its a terrible bit of science, comparing two years is not a trend. Mind you both sides are doing it I saw a similar piece by the other side comparing now to the peak of the 'little Ice age'.
     
  6. luvhuffer

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    2005 was hottest year on record
    Posted: 30 Mar 2006

    by Joseph Florence

    The year 2005 was the hottest on record. The average global surface temperature of 14.77 degrees Celsius (58.6 degrees Fahrenheit) was the highest since recordkeeping began in 1880. January, April, September, and October of 2005 were the hottest of those months on record, while March, June, and November were the second warmest ever. (See figure 1).
    The six hottest years on record have now all occurred in the last eight years. After 2005, 1998 was the second warmest, with an average global temperature of 14.71 degrees Celsius. But there was an important difference between 1998 and 2005: the strongest El Niño of the past 100 years lifted the average 1998 temperature 0.2 degrees Celsius, whereas the record warmth last year was not buoyed by such an effect.


    These readings, which come from the series maintained by NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, continue a trend of rising global temperatures. During the past century, temperatures rose 0.8 degrees Celsius (1.44 degrees Fahrenheit), 0.6 degrees of which occurred during the last three decades, a rate unprecedented in the last millennium.


    The average temperature of 14.02 degrees Celsius in the 1970s rose to 14.26 degrees in the 1980s. In the 1990s it reached 14.40 degrees Celsius. And during the first six years of this new decade, global temperature has averaged 14.62 degrees Celsius. (See table 1.)


    Rising temperatures are due primarily to the buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, particularly carbon dioxide (CO2) from the burning of fossil fuels. Once released into the atmosphere, CO2 traps heat that would otherwise escape back into space. Emissions of CO2 have been rising since the start of the Industrial Revolution in 1760, causing temperatures to climb. (See figure 2).


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  7. skip

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    Thanks luvhuffer, I knew 1998 was one of the hottest, so there was really no point in comparing them, and in fact the original author was completely wrong, and purposely hid data to make you think otherwise. This is what the Bush Admin has been doing, LYING to Americans from the day Bushit took office. And he's STILL THERE!

    Americans must be pretty dumb to allow such a leader to stay in office & re-elect him, no? Are they waking up yet?

    Can you believe that 36% of Americans still think Bush is doing a GREAT JOB!!!
     
  8. zeppelin kid

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    Yeah and Im sure the government is paying off whoever created that site. Global warming is happening its just a question of wether it will stop or reverse, which isnt happening.
     
  9. driftwood_74

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    That’s a pretty ignorant statement considering all your talk earlier in this thread about manipulating statistics. Last time I looked at the 2004 presidential election results, I noticed Bush won by only 51%. It would have been much more appropriate to state that half of voting Americans are dumb.
     
  10. Soberbeah

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    we are stupid, at least the dumb half
     
  11. Jim Colyer

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    I am still laughing about Bush 41 calling Al Gore "Ozone Man."
     
  12. Peterness

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    telegraph is a pretty unreliable british newspaper...very right leaning, and, to put it bluntly, full of shit.
     
  13. steffan

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    is that paper owned by bp? must be, theres as much water pouring off of antartica as the amazon discharges, between 1974 and 2001 the free carbons in the atmoshere increased almost 200 percent, when they stopped the flights over newyork after 911 the tempature saw an imediate and drastic increas, and on and on. believe me they were fully aware of the problems we were causing decades ago, all the hype about " theres no global warming" was just a smokescreen, there are very few learned people who have any doubts about that.
    and as far as american iteligence, get real. and f u and all you narrow minded american bashers. if you want to bash our gov to keep from looking at your own, thats fine, but leave us out of it. at least we have rights that rien them in a bit, imagine the havoc your people would cause if they had the same power
     
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    In West Glacier, MT this last winter they hit records LOWS. Is now global cooling going to be the rage?
     
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    It's the effects over decades that can be measured. But we all know that already.

    Articles that suggest global warming is a myth of some kind are just what some people will be looking for to soothe themselves back into "peaceful" slumber.
     
  16. NavierStokes

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    ______________________

    Climate is always changing. Global Temperature increases 0.4C from year 1900 to 1940, then decreased 0.2C from 1940 to 1975, then increased 0.4 to 1998, and has decreased slightly since 1998. Incidently the high temperature in 1998 was due to an especially strong el Nino that year. No one knows how much of climate change (0.6 deg C the past century) is caused by natural cycles: the Milankovich cycles (10,000, 41,000 and 100,000 years correlate with the ice ages), the North Atlantic Oscillation, the Decadal Pacific Oscillation, the El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and others), ; how much warming is caused by greenhouse gasses, by land use changes, by solar changes, by sulfate aerosols, by black carbon etc, etc. There is strong correlation between albedo, sun spots, cosmic rays and cloudiness. Don't get snookered by hucksters who claim Armageddon is around the corner.
     
  17. luvhuffer

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    .....or by hucksters who are more worried about the corporate profits than the well being of the planet. What if the global warming people are wrong? Then no big deal. We'll just have cleaner burning cars and reduced industrial pollutants. And we'll live in a safer environment for our health.

    But what if they are right? I personally am not willing to take that bet. We have plenty to gain, and nothing to lose. I'm 56 so I don't really give a shit about myself. I'll be long dead and gone. But that doesn't mean I should quit watching my 18 year old kids back. Humans do things that affect the quality of life of every living thing on the planet. For that reason we have a moral obligation to assume stewardship of the planet. Whether we want it or not.
     
  18. NavierStokes

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    _________________

    The year 1998 was the warmest on record - caused mainly by a very strong en Nino that year. Temperatures are measured by surface stations (unevenly spread around the earth - mostly on land, few on ocean buoys) , by satellite, and by Radiosonde balloons. To see a summary of historic temperature records of all these, go to:

    http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Look.htm

    Here you will see graphed historic temperatures from Goddard Institute Space Studies (GISS), from Hadley Center, East Anglia UK, from Global Hydrology Climate Center, Huntsville Alabama, from National Climate Data Center (NCDC). They all give the same result that 1998, not 2005, was the warmest. Check it out!
     
  19. NavierStokes

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    Here's a fun way to see how earth's temperatures vary according to satellite measurements (since 1979). Go to :

    http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/temperature/

    Point to a spot on the map of the earth, Choose a month and year, then get an image of the earth color coded according to temprerature, to see where it was hotter and where cooler at that time. Also click on "Global Anomaly" to get a time series graph.
     
  20. zeppelin kid

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    Just leave Navier. You are a fool.
     
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