People should be forced to get a license before having children

Exactly my reasoning.

 

My source was an author(dont remember his name or the name of his book) who was on the daily show a week or two ago. He wrote a book examining the food that is consumed in our society, and basically said that due to the increasing rates of obesity and diabetes, people are beginning to live shorter lives.

The problem with this idea is that who says that theyre fit enough to decide who should be capable of having a child.

Also, you claim that the punishment of having a child without licence to be a fine? Wouldnt that put a child in the care of parents who dont have enough money to survive in a worse situation??

 

How much the fine is will depend on your income.

 

All these propositions about giving the government more control over families is going to vastly increase the size of our growing police state. What if the government tells you you're not fit to have kids, and you believe (rightly) that you're perfectly capable. Then you'll have to fight the government in court over the basic, natural right just to be able to bear children? The government today can't hardly get one damn thing right, and you think that will be any different? Hell, there were 130 people unjustly convicted and put on death row, and the government couldn't have cared less until advocacy groups stepped in, with a lot of time and money, and got those people released (the ones that were still alive). You want to give that kind of government control over YOU having kids? We're not talking about somebody else, we're talking about EVERYBODY. You wanna know the ridiculous, tyrannical things the government's done to my family? And the despotic laws that were put in place to allow it to do it? If you really want to give the government more power over everybody's lives, you're living in a complete and total fantasy world. Wake up before it's too late.

 

This thread is so flawed on too many levels. I tried to stay out of it.

Have to say this though. To the original post. "tests should be done to determine ...."
SO who is going to devolp these tests? Who's standards would they go by? I understand that many children are abused and neglected and it pisses me off but making some "test" is horrifying to me. Makes me think the government would say anyone with a history of depression or anxiety or _____? can not reproduce. Who's standards would they go by?

Sure, education for parenting sounds terrific. Some test though does not. I personally do not believe the government should have that much control.

 

so basically youre saying that the law is not going to be punishing those who it was put in place for?

 

^Hah! That person was thinking like a real politican. Sickening.

 

How about this Birth Visa be voluntarily not forced. You do it to see if you are fit or not to have children. If you fail and you are a good person you will naturally seek to develop your parental skills before bearing children.

 

Standards we all agree on.

1. A person should be emotional stable and flexible
2. A person should be mentally stable and flexible
3. A person should be financially stable and flexible

It is not that hard.

 

Most reasonable people actually go out of their way before trying to get pregnant to make sure they are fit in all or at least most ways beforehand.

So it is all ready voluntary. There are all ready classes. All ready books. All ready lists. All ready information.

Many people do these things anyways and think hard about their decisions.

The government shouldn't MAKE people do these things but a certain degree of education- or should I say, letting it be more well known about what resources there are wouldn't hurt.

 

Once again, I think that the people who this applies to most, are not planning on having kids

Also, who is to say whether a person is emotionally, mentally, and financially stable enough to have kids?

Can these things be measured on a simple multiple choice test, or are we going to fund, or even make these people pay for expensive tests with profesional psychiatrists

 

You just don't get the point do you? Emotional stable by WHO'S judgement?

I get bad pms sometimes and cry for no reason. Would that make me unfit?

I'm working class, does that make me unfit? My kids might not be able to go on expensive vacations and have designer clothes but they'd never go without a meal and they'd be loved.

What you don't get is... WHO would be determining these standards? What makes someone financially stable? Emotionally stable? Mentally stable?

 

My concern is protecting the unborn from abusive, emotionally, mentally, and financially unstable parents. If you have better ways to do this, I would like to hear you ideas!

 

I agree completely with Lucky Stripe, and I don't think my posts were even read anyway, so I QUIT.

 

It is not that hard to define and develop standards that we will all agree on.

 

perhaps you are nto paying attention, because nobody is agreeing with you here

 

Charise, I read yours at least and agreed with it. This thread is frustrating.

Inquiring- yes, it would be hard to agree on standards and if the government was controlling these standards, would you really trust them?

Next thing you'd know you'd have to have a certain income and if you ever were on an antidepressant, you can't have sex. Slippery slope that may seem? Sure...
However, what one person person may see as "fit", doesnt mean its right.

Anyways, I enjoyed this thread in a way but I was at a funeral this morning and I need a nap. Maybe I'll reply again later.

 

*sigh*

Better education. Not rules.

 

I notice. People first object then eventually they will agree.

 

More abstinence only sex ed courses