5-MeO-DMT first time: sitter required?

Hi, have experience with many substances, LSD, mushrooms, 2c-i, 2ct-2, MDA, MDMA, HBWR seeds, salvia and I plan on trying 5-MeO-DMT for the first time in the near future. My main question is whether those who have tried it feel a sitter is 'necessary' for the first time. I know that having one would be the best option, but was looking for opinions. I have tried 10x Salvia (around 200 mg I would estimate), would the intensity be comparable? I found Salvia very intense, but I view the experience as rather neutral, there was no 'reward' for bearing the intensity aside from the experience itself. I would assume a sitter is more of a requirement with salvia as there can be the urge to move around (magnetic pull), but with 5-MeO-DMT I gather that one is completely floored by the experience and there is little risk of physical injury because the body remains stationary. I plan to start with barely visible sub-mg doses and work my way up, although I wonder if it might be better to 'dive in' for the full experience right off the bat? I only have one 'death/rebirth" experience (syrian rue + HBWR) but I think the 5-MeO-DMT experience will be quite different. I also plan on getting some DMT as well soon, would the same apply?

11:11

 

i'd highly recommend it.

and yes, the intensity is up there with salvia 10X, if not greater.

there's a sharp dosage curve with DMT, and even more so with her potent sister, 5-MeO-DMT.

 

uhh fuck no u dont need a sitter look at the shit youve already done...

 

^^

that's ridiculous.

5-MeO-DMT makes all of those look like forethoughts. (simply because of the intensity, and how quickly it hits)... makes all the 2-C-X compounds seem relatively tame.

11:11, i'd suggest you have a sitter to comfort you, because you might find yourself curled into a ball on the floor.

sitter not necessary, but recommended. 5-MeO-DMT is no joke.

 

Wow, quick replies. I failed to mention that my first experiences with Salvia extract, 2c-i, 2ct2, HBWR seeds + MAOI were unsupervised. I generally trip alone for the most part, but start slow with any new substance (the HBWR+MAOI, was the most intense experience I have had, and only off of 4 seeds, but much of that was my mindset). Assuming my first experience is with a sitter and goes well, does that make subsequent trips 'safe' to do alone? Or do those of you with experience with 5-MeO-DMT and DMT still trip with a sitter?

 

it's more of like going mental sky-diving, than a wild drug experience; it's just more fun to share the experience with a fellow psychonaut, imo. It also helps to have someone keep an eye on you, in case you do freak out.

5-MeO is a serious rush, DMT is a more visual encounter; the latter would probably require a sitter, because you will be completely gone (it's far more visual than salvia, 2-CE, and LSD)

 

I have researched quite a lot on 5-MeO/DMT (including Strassman's book and interviews etc) and I do feel a sitter would be best, but was looking for opinions based on the direct experience of others. From reading the reports on Erowid its difficult to tell when a sitter is present and when a sitter isnt. I get the impression that a lot of 'brave' psychonauts regularily use both DMT and 5-MeO-DMT without issue and without the need for supervision. Also I know DMT and salvia are completely different, but I have read the intensity is similar, I've also read reoprts of people smoking DMT WITH salvia and having the salvia overpower the DMT almost completely. From memory I don't recall 5-MeO-DMT causing any deaths from smoking, I vaguely remember there was one from a large insuffated dose, but I could be mistaken. If anyone has the specifics, please feel free to correct me. It seems 5-MeO-DMT / DMT is an enigma, you can't die from it, but at the same time you can't die without it... : )

 

I remember my eyes rolling straight up into my head, drooling as I sat in lotus position. Then I fell over.
I would recommend a sitter.

 

that's odd

I've heard the opposite, from a colleague who's had extensive experiences with both.

We had also discussed the extraction of di-substituted tryptamines from various taxa, and he expressed concern of the presence of 5-MeO-DMT, because it has less desirable effects, similar to salvia, but more intense. DMT is also extremely easy to make, granted you have access to formaldehyde, glacial acetic acid, and sodium cyanoborohydride.

salvia is nowhere near as visual, it's highly dissociative though; DMT is both.
they act on completely different receptors, and salvia tends to be a bit more dysphoric. DMT can either be bliss or hell.

 

I had an idea. I'm sure everyone on this forum is quite aware of the importance of set and setting, I would assume with something as powerful as DMT or 5-MeO-DMT, this is even more crucial. If the experience can either be heaven or hell, I would definately prefer the former. I was thinking perhaps to mentally prepare myself I would meditate while listening to 'luis panduro vasquez - ayahuasca songs from the peruvian amazon', before taking my 'hit'. I believe this would help mentally prepare me both empirically and spiritually. The music definately entrains the brainwaves, and this is how the amazonian shamans have shown respect for the 'DMT gods' for centuries. Also if my sitter is available, I think 'good friday' would definately be a good time to die(methyltryptamine)...

 

ok, but

I have to warn you (or someone else will)

there is no preparing for a DMT flash; you can't. (maybe for an ayahuasca trip). DMT commands the utmost respect of all the hallucinogens, your ego will be decimated into oblivion like no other, and very quick-like. It's the extreme rapid onset that catches people off guard. After a few times, you will likely master it to some extent.

Just be a passive observer, don't try to impose your will at all, and you will likely be fascinated, and have a positive experience. Like a strong dose of salvia, it will be utterly stunning (is the best way I can describe it). Be safe in your ventures, and god speed

 

Will? Ego? What's that?

 

Not a bad idea to have a sitter, I almost always vomit on 5meo, though I am unaware of it at the time. If I started to choke... But be sure your sitter knows what to expect, you wouldn't want them calling 911 because you are rolling around on the floor mumbling nonsense.

 

lol

right?

that's the way to look at it

 

UPDATE: Well, the 5-MeO-DMT went on the backburner, but the other night I decided to vaporize a 'speck' (too small to even bother weighing on my less than perfect milligram scale) just to guage if there would be any effects. After a little bit of trail and error, I sucessfully got a tiny amount of vapor. As soon as I inhaled, I quickly exhaled, and realized that this was definately an 'active' dose. I got a taste for the unbelievable power of this chemical. When I closed my eyes I noticed an effect that could best be described as what a strobe light would look like through closed eye-lids. I felt that if I kept my eyes closed I could 'blast off' with only the slightest effort (all this from a dose about the size of a few grains of salt). I wandered around in a slight panic (not knowing if the intensity would continue to build), downed a B-3 (niacinamide) pill and sat on my bed. In a few minutes, my anxiety went away and the 'peak' was pretty well over (the after effects were actually enjoyable).

My question for those experienced with 5-MeO-DMT, is it better to start slow (as I did), or just 'jump in', with a high dose (compared to my tiny dose anyway) , perhaps 3-4mg?

My thoughts were that the side effects and anxiety may get pretty bad with slightly higher doses (extremely tiny doses could be very enjoyable, IMO) and it might be better to take a 'no going back' dose, and just try to go through it. I could imagine with a decent dose the 'disconnection' from the body would be quick (like taking off a bandaid quickly), rather than a dose that makes the 'breakthrough' slower and more painful (taking off a bandaid slowly).

I assume the best thing is to take a hit and just lay down like you are going to sleep (I was thinking that lying on my side might be more comfortable than on my back).

I was also thinking of maybe trying a full dose with some kratom tea before hand to try to help the aniexty. I have read good things about 5-MeO-DMT on the comedown of MDMA (which I use once per year, usually less), so thats why I thought Kratom may also be a good combo. I would rather have a comfortable happy state amplified than the aniexty which I doubt would be avoidable. If the first few experiences are very enjoyable its more likely that subsequent trips would be as well. Is it correct to assume most of the bad trips come from not being able to 'let go' and trying to 'fight' the drug and as long as you can surrender, you will be fine?

 

Youll probably find youre first breakthrough scary, I did at least. I started with a small dose like you and decided that 10mg was a good next dose. It wasnt. Now, though, after more exp. I find small doses rather unrewarding. MDMA does wonders if youre worried about anxiety

 

yeah, I imagine it will be. I definately wouldn't go to 10mg for a while likely 3-4mg will be my first 'major' dose. 'Breakthrough' salvia doses are scary as well, but for the last 2 weeks I've been smoking very small ammounts and I find it very enjoyable. I'm getting more used to the plants effects and I feel like a large dose wont be as scary the next time.

An interesting thing was that when I was falling asleep last night, I had an experience that was almost the same as the 5-MeO-DMT(pulsating tunnelling effect), except I didn't have any fear. I have the same type of anxiety in meditation as I feel I may 'blast off' sometimes there as well. My feeling is that once I 'survive' a 'breakthrough' 5-MeO-DMT dose, I won't be 'scared' to astral project and enter very deep meditative states anymore.

I remember reading many people find MDMA is prefect with 5-MeO-DMT, my problem is I don't do MDMA often at all. The last time (my first in 4 years or so) was New Year's by myself and it was 'profound' to say the least. I don't want to lose that 'magic', But on the other hand, I'm sure even an 'e-tard' (reckless, chronic user) would find the MDMA/5-MeO-DMT combo 'magical'. I guess using MDMA twice per year max should sufficient to keep the 'magic'. I welcome the opinions of more experienced MDMA users.

I was thinking about a kratom/5-MeO-DMT combo. I enjoy kratom tea(I have a once/week max rule), but I haven't heard anyone trying this combo, kratom seems to be more of an opiate high (I don't wish to explore 'real' opiates personally because of the high potential for addiction) and I don't know how the two would mix.

Methylone (is this pronounced 'meth-alone' or 'methyl-one'?) is on my list of substances to try, but I think its stupidly expensive, for what seems to be little more than an inferior MDMA substitute. On the upside, I know when I order methylone I am getting methylone, but with E you never know what you are getting anymore.

I feel 5-MeO-DMT could be become one of my favorite drugs and the thought of being able to have incredibly intense 5-10min trips is very appealing to me, but as they say, "you never get a second chance to make a first impression". The first time I tried salvia ('99 or so) it scared me and I didn't touch it again until this year (and again only one high dose).

Also, I'm curious for anyone who has tried the 5-MeO-DMT/MDMA (or methylone) combo, does a blissful experience, make subsequent voyages without the MDMA/methylone less aniexty-ridden?

thanks

 

Untill two months ago I was using MDMA once every1 or 2 weeks, for a period of about 5 months, while the MDMA exp got a little uninteresting, 5-MeO-DMT on the comedown rocketed me into the most blissful state I have ever experianced. Every time. (I didnt smoke dmt after every MDMA trip mind you).

I think you could use it more than 1-2 times per year, maybe 4 or 5, but its your choice. I have never tried kratom, so I cant give any advice as to what that would be like.I should have some methylone to experiment with in the coming weeks, hopefully the combo will be as rewarding as MDMA/5-MeO-DMT.

Ive only done 5-MeO-DMT alone 3 times since my first on MDMA, while two of the experiances were completlt anxiety free, one of them produced a minor pani attack. I was drunk at the time, I wouldnt reckomend smoking it after drinking

 

A sitter would defintaly be nice just to know someones there, but trust me you defintaly arent gonna be going anywere fast hahaha i smoked dmt once but never 5-meo, I can honestly say its the most off the edge expirence of my life all though i am pretty young. But I was defintaly glad to have a sitter, i would defintaly like to try it again i was offered it last week but i didnt buy because it was $100 a gram and that seemed kind of steep although i dont no that much about the price of dmt

 

$100 a gram for n,nDMT is not a bad price at all IMO