What will happen in World War III

Zep

Occam knows well how it would process
The most powerfull nuclear force as of 2006 is the US SSBN fleet.
Over 2000 thermonuclear warheads cruise the ocean depths as we speak,
ready to be popped into fractional orbit and rained on any target

But who would be the enemy?

Occam

 

one
boyscout
with a pocket knife?

i mean with all these weapons that are too powerful to be really usefull
no wonder there's this paranoia of so called terrorists.

you know i'm thinking about those kind of stoopid cartoons where someone wrecks their own house chaising a mosquito with a sledghammer.

they don't have to really attack, (any they) all they need to do is make the u.s. THINK they've attacked ...

especialy with the kind of nuts we've got in there now

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We'll bomb the commies of course, that's how we always handle it.

 

Exactly! They're the real enemy! God Bless America, and all her bombs!

 

Maybe you people don't understand what a nuclear winter is. Maybe you should look it up.

 

the real horror of war is that it IS futile.

this whole war against the middle east, like the war against anything that doesn't begin and end with little green pieces of paper, was invented out of thin air, of, by and for, political arrogance, as an excuse to show off tecnological means of murduring large numbers of civilians.

wars are fought by the many for the few, and when the fight is over, the many are still screwed.

(whether or not the names and faces of the few get chainged in the proccess, no WAR will ever 'un-screw' the rest of us)

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"Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons."
Bertrand Russell

"The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations".
David Friedman

"Katz' Law: Man and nations will act rationally when all other possibilities have been exhausted."
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i like that last especialy, because there is a very reall possibility that a day may come when "all other possibilities" HAVE "been exausted".

people have been brainwashed to fear such a day. i look forward to it.
not that i expect to see it. but i'd love to be born in it.

native peoples (that means cultures for those who arn't awair of it, NOT a misplaced plural as gramer nazis who are ignorant of everything else might immagine) tried to warn the insanely dominant culture that was over running them that its thoughtlessness would bring about such a day.

obviously one would have to grant that day hasn't quite yet arrived, but taken in any sort of context, 200 or ever 500 years isn't all that long of a time historicly, even if it may be subjectively because it's longer then any two or three generations can live. and people seem to immagine nothing can be any more different then bettween what it was for their own grandmother who was still alive when they were born and themselves.

oh yes, wars do chainge SOME thing. they make big holes in the ground and lots of unhappy dead people. but they don't make worlds that are gratifying for anyone to live in.

and they are preventable, no less preventable then 'political leaders' arbitrarily choosing to create them. which itself may be difficult. but perhapse not entirely impossible.

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World War Three will be just like Star Wars, and we'll have to blow up an Iraqii Death Star with our X-Wing fighters. And then Ackbar would shout ITS A TRAP.

 

I don't think there's going to be another world war. But I do think there's going to be another cold war but instead of Russia it will be either China, North Korea, or Iran

 

The next world war, when ever it is, will be fought by "true believers." True believers are the folks that look back to some mythical golden age that never really was and then thry to force that concept down the throats of everyone else. The Nazi's were true believers. The communists were (are) true believers. The radical Muslims are true believers. The Christian right in America are true believers...and so on. The skin heads, neo-nazis, zionists, ultra-left, green peacers, extreme animal rights folks are all true believers that are all willing to force their idiology on others. Some where in that nest or one like it lies the seeds of the next world war and potentially the destruction of civilization (not the destruction of mankind). Until we as a species learn tolerence we stand the risk as a species of doing the greatest possible harm to ourselves. It doesn't take a nuclear bomb or an entire arsenal of them to destroy civilization. It is possible to create a mutant/genetically enginered microbe that can do the job. It has been done, in fact, in Australia several years ago. The microbe was specific to mice and was 100% fatal to mice. The germs were destroyed but it provided an ominous warning to anyone who would listen.

It doesn't have to be the USA using nukes either. England, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Isreal, North Korea and potentially a few other nations posses and could use nukes. France recently announced a change in foreign policy that threatens the use of nukes on any terrorist regime that attacks France.
An Isrealy pre-emptive strike using nukes on Iran isn't that far out of the realm of possiblities.
I am older than a lot of the folks on this forum. I grew up doing the "duck and cover" drills in school. I remember the tense moments as a small child during the Cuban Missle Crisis as my parents quietly worried.
I remember the Principal of the small country school that I went to having the school bus parked in front of the school with the motor running all afternoon the day that JFK was shot...because she didn't know if or what was about to happen but she knew that she had to get us kids out of there if need be.
I remember the 6 days war and especially the Yom Kippur war and the threats of nuclear war.
I remember the tense times when Reagan first became president and the heated tension between Him and the Russians.
The chnces of war are high...by who and when I don't know but we are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past until we learn to..........

 

world wars suck lot a people died 4 sick minds

 

ya till some people starving other are spilling monney trough their asses cmon nato european union usa ask how are feeling macedonians stavin because of capitalism
if russia join nato comunism wuld sunk even deeper

 

USSSR will just never do it US govement brainwashes tre americanns peoples brains
tellin them that russians are the bad in evry fuckin moovie take the game "Freedom Fighter " the USSSR goverment atacks USA and wants to ocupate it do u know how is
evry american president caled? his name is Brais Washington

 

geneticly modified food crops that don't produce fertile seeds (to protect patent greed) displacing firtil, less 'perfect' (read 'profitable') agriculture, is one such disaster waiting for a place to happen.

it ain't that we ain't dumb enough for the more dramatic kind of warfare, it's just that we've found whole orders of magnitude of ways to be even dumber.

besides we've already GOT 'global warming'.

to quote regenald brentnor "with fiends like these who needs enimas."

oh and 'true believers' do make a pool of potential recruits perhaps, for gang wars, suicide bombers, and the occasion back alley bludgeoning, but the kind of wars we're seeing now. the one bush started, are born as cold backroom calculations in rand corporation like think tanks.

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There is NO ussr
The Union of Soviet Socialist Repubics 'went away' 15 years ago

Occam

 

Even the Board Room fat cats are true believers in the "capitalist" thing. If you haven't noticed the Rand Group et al are presently ramming their philosophy down the throat of the folks in Iraq. I identify true believer as anyone who will use force to make you do their thing.

Any little regional conflict can become a world war. World War I started in Yugoslavia (Serbia) with the assination of Arch Duke Ferdinand (sp). That was one reason that the European Community was so keen on getting the Bosnian stuff settled...they didn't want a repeat of the 1914 thing. They just didn't have the collective balls to do it themselves.
Understand one important point. NO nutty weirdo has ever come to power of his own accord. Hitler had the backing of many of the people in Germany AND the American Wall Street. It takes money to have a war or to run a government. The shadow purse strings are the ones who allow or support such things. Once in a while one of these puppet henchmen get out of control and raise a lot of hell.

 

i'm not denying your perceptions of anyone's orientation, only that this is the real motivation for armed conflict. all these idiologies and beliefs are just perfumes to stick on it.

and yes, those who come to 'power' do so as a resault of the priorities we all live by collectively creating a market for them to do so.

no one possessess more power then what those arround them, for whatever reason, give them. people immagine they gain something by having hierarchies. and we do gain infrastructure by having social organization. and we do have the comfort zones we're emotionaly attatched to by having infrastructure.

but it gets down to the question of do we have to have hierarchal soverignties, and all the gratuitous enequities they give rise to, in order to have comfort zones?

i.e.; can we have the neccessary social organization to create and maintain infrastructure that makes comfort zones possible, WITHOUT hierarchal soverignties? and yes, i just so happen to believe we can.

and my evidence that it can be done is indiginous cultures having gotten by for thousands of years, up until the last few hundred during which they have been for the most part over run.

another way of looking at it, is: "how badly do we need, and how much worse off would we be without, anything that requires hierarchal soverignty to have?"

i'm not for throwing out everything the last few centuries have given us with the bath water, unless that is the price of our species survival, but i am for taking a long hard look at what our priorities really need to be, to live in the kind of world anyone really wants to, or needs to in order to survive.

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