Pedophiles: Sick or Evil?

I think AT has made some good points in this thread. I don't agree with all them (especially about the high recidivism of child molestors--considering the stats saying differently and I don't consider less than 30% "high"), but the point is something to be considered.

 

Well, I am not familiar with his example, but I think the points were well made.

 

Well, as I said, I am not familiar with his example. I think that I find little girls cute, but not in any sexual sort of way. At least, I don't think so. I mean I don't get sexually aroused by looking at them, and I don't fantasize about them, but I can see the beauty in them. Does that make sense?

That may not be what he is referring to though.

 

Masturbating to Jessica Alba, and a 10 year old are very different. Masturbating to a 15 year old would, to me, be no different than to an 18 year old. Children are the key here, not pubesent minors.

Everyone seems to keep forgetting the pedophilia doesnt apply to a sexually mature post pubesent person.

Would thinking of a 11 year old sexually, and having online sex with them be the same? What is the point in which it is pedophilia.

If you are attracted to pre-sexual children, then that is biologically off some how, but it is hard to say how and why.

I would say anything non-consenting is wrong...hows that?

 

I agree. There is a huge difference in 10 and 15. Not so much in 15 and 18.

 

The answer is simply mental. There is no demons or devils controlling them.

 

Well, I will just say that I was trying to raise a point or two in a thread about pedophilia. It would have seemed ridiculous to mention a fantasy involving a 15 year-old since being attracted to a 15 year-old would not be pedophilia.

At any rate, I thank you, Libertine, for acknowledging that at least I was trying to raise a couple points.

 

maybe the question should have been about molesters period..
..... molesters... fuckin sick.... pedofiles... even sicker

 

I concur.

 

Yes, I think because many people get pedophilia and child molestor mixed up, they think that pedophilia itself is a crime. But, how could a mere "attraction" be considered a crime? No, it's the act of sexually abusing a child that is a crime. But this, too, is a fine line. What constitutes "molestation"? It depends on the circumstances apparently.

The Legal definition is : " A person commits the offense of child molestation when he or she does any immoral or indecent act to or in the presence of or with any child under the age of 16 years with the intent to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires of either the child or the person. "

What IS an immoral and indecent act?? According to the child/parent advocacy group "WeTheChildren", such acts as touching the child's buttocks or a little girl's not yet formed breasts is inappropriate and crossing the line.

Here is the statement: "The buttocks should never be touched. The area of the breast of young girls is a future erogenous zone and should not be touched."

It is also inappropriate and crossing the line to:
• wash the genitals of a child over 4.
• walk in the children's room without knocking.
• walk around the house with little or no clothing on.
• allowing the child (3 or over) to sleep in parent's bed with them.
• being intimate with your partner with child around.
• talking about genitalia (even calling them "pet" names like "winkie).
• flirting with other adults in the presence of children.
• taking a child of the opposite sex into the restroom.
• taking a shower or bath with children over 4.

I can half understand SOME of these, but holy shit! How far do you go?

My wife or I can't place medicine on my child's nutsack if he has a rash?

My little girl (when she turns 3) can't jump in the bed with mom and dad after a nightmare?

I can't tell me son to aim his "peter" better in the bathroom?

I can't kiss and snuggle up to my wife in the sight of my children?

That's just fucking absurd.

I raise my children the way I want to, and I don't abuse or molest them. I raise them to respect others, not be ashamed of themselves, and to know about sex, drugs, guns, and other issues that many parents try to hide away.

My son knows to never talk to strangers, go with one, never touch a gun, never take a pill or capsule from a stranger and he knows how babies are made, oK?

Shit. These fucking paranoid nutfreaks are ruining society with their puritan bullshit thinking the Sex is innately "sinful" and Children are stupid and never curious.

I hardly think my son or daughter sleeping in our bed after having a bad dream is SEXUAL. Give me a fucking break!

Only a group of anal morons would TRIVIALIZE sexual abuse in such a way to compare these things (the list above) to those horrible acts (molestation and rape).

 

I always thought molestation was sticking a pinkie in. The things on this list happen in my house all the time.

My oldest son washes himself, but hell ive jumped in the tub before to play with bubbles with them. Never saw any harm in it. My wife and i kiss and snuggle all the time, I flirt with women around my kids (and wife) all the time, and we talk about "goobers" all the time. On top of all that, we are nudists.

Thats silly list, where did it come from?

 

That list is more than silly, it's dangerous that people like this are becoming influential behind our laws.

Molestation and sexual abuse used to MEAN something really bad happened to someone. Now, it is ABUSED itself as a term and many people are treated as criminal predators and perverts when that is just not the case. At LEAST 1/3 of all allegations in these cases are UNSUBSTANTIATED. This is scary. And most of them deal with a couple going through a divorce.

Hmmm... hint hint!!

Any parent who uses their children to further their own agenda against the other parent is child abuse, in my opinion.

 

And let's not forget how men are viewed worse too. If a woman helps her 5 year old son wash his "peter" she's being a good mother, if a dad helps his 5 year old daughter wash her "winkie" he is a pervert?

 

It would appear that way. *lol*

I guess I shouldn't change my daughter's diaper, it may violate her sexuality!

How fucking stupid...

 

I agree. That list is beyond ridiculous. In certain cultures, those things are actually even encouraged so as to rear a child into a healthy being, sexually and otherwise. That list will only encourage psychological hangups in a child.

 

The idiots who came up with that list are the ones who need to be quarantined from children!

 

I SO agree with you on that.

 

It really puzzles me how we have REGRESSED in society back to quasi-puritan standards and using children as our scapegoat.

 

I'm still trying to find a solid answer to that one myself.

The thing is, everything in today's society seems to be based around the idea is that children will not understand sexuality until they reach a certain age. I disagree with that. They don't understand only because we don't allow them to, or encourage them to. Children, I believe, are perfectly capable of grasping at least some aspects of sexuality. We don't educate them sufficiently, not just on one but ALL aspects of life, how will they grow up to be well-rounded beings?

Things on the list will only plant shame inside a child's brain because it's ALL about restriction, not acceptance. A child and a parent are restricted from doing this, doing that, while they are never enouraged to accept even a simple expression of human love. Absurd, really.

 

When children don't know what we WANT them to know, we call them "ignorant".

When children don't know what we DON'T WANT them to know, we call them "innocent".

When children do know what we WANT them to know, we call them "normal".

When children do know what we DON'T WANT them to know, we call them "confused".

When children are the victim, they are "incapable" of adult-think.

When children are the perpetrator, we want to "try them as an adult".